180mtt Turbo on Stars.

[Sulphur man]

This hand has given me much food for thought although i feel i played the
hand sub-optimally pre/flop/turn/river (good start)

Blinds are 150 no antes. Start the hand with 5186 in the bb with 

folds to the hijack playing 5685 have 16 hands on him vpip7 pfr7. He raises to 325
cutoff folds.

Button calls the 325 playing 4195 47 hands vpip 37 pfr20 af0.5 fcb100

Fish in the Sb calls vpip24 pfr3 af-inf.

I elect to call here. Flop is  1300 in pot.
SB checks and i donk bet flop for 650 origanal raiser passes button calls and the SB folds.

Now 2600 pot and the turn is  i bet 900 button calls. Now 4400pot river comes  and i put the rest of my stack in.

Personally think i could have 3bet/c pre as it looks like a squeeze and i have a genuine hand.
Dont like my donk on the flop as i probably fold out hands i get value from. Would also jam the turn now with
hindsight. Your thoughts would be most welcome. Cheers.

[Longy]

3b/c pre, in fact with over in 1000 in the pot before it gets to you I might just ship this.

Hate the donk on the flop and would bet more on the turn as well, no need to ship but just to get villian to pot commit to the river without realising it 1200-1500 imo.

Tbh the only bit I like is the river shove for value.

[MC]

3b/c pre, in fact with over in 1000 in the pot before it gets to you I might just ship this.

Hate the donk on the flop and would bet more on the turn as well, no need to ship but just to get villian to pot commit to the river without realising it 1200-1500 imo.

Tbh the only bit I like is the river shove for value.

^this

[Sulphur man]

Thanks the feedback is much appreciated. Its my first shot at PHA as i thought
this hand was quite interesting, a lot of hands are pretty much standard in these
180's but here i honestly feel i could have taken a number of better lines on each
street.

And yep i struggled to sleep after that donk on the flop 

[BulldozerD]

Just 3bet pre to get stacks in. Calling pre and donking flop seems worst line of all.
Agree you played it sub-optimally

[tonys nephew]

from my experience people call crazy wide when we reship good value hands like ak so we don't have to slow play we can just get in for value very early deepish.

[Sulphur man]

Yes i agree, looks like such an obvious squeeze spot so we should get action
stacks are really good fo it too. All four players are deep in this pot for L150
think thats why i took the passive play pre. Normally i treat AK like the nuts in these.

[Junior Senior]

Just shove it in pre.

[Doobs]

folds to the hijack playing 5685 have 16 hands on him vpip7 pfr7.  Presumably now something like vpip 13, pfr 13?  Think by posting, you may be incorrectly ssuming this stat means something.

As others have said the donk bet is horrid here. Because you have half pot it, you manage to price in all their draws and give your opponent the implied odds.  You'd be pretty unlucky to not get a chance to check raise this if you don't donk bet. 

I think calling pre is fine, and shoving is fine.  The 3 bet could get nasty, as you could easily find your self out of position on a bad flop, particularly as you go down the stakes (Higher up, you are far more likely to be able to just get them in pre when you 3 bet).  I probably 3 bet more often than shoving as I like to play a lot of my hands the same way and the shove makes your hand face up.  If you don't play much or play low, then I don't think you need to worry so much about this.

   

[cambridgealex]

3b pre.

As played c/raise or donk lead 3/4pot. I don't hate the donk as much as others.

[Sulphur man]

folds to the hijack playing 5685 have 16 hands on him vpip7 pfr7.  Presumably now something like vpip 13, pfr 13?  Think by posting, you may be incorrectly ssuming this stat means something.

As others have said the donk bet is horrid here. Because you have half pot it, you manage to price in all their draws and give your opponent the implied odds.  You'd be pretty unlucky to not get a chance to check raise this if you don't donk bet. 

I think calling pre is fine, and shoving is fine.  The 3 bet could get nasty, as you could easily find your self out of position on a bad flop, particularly as you go down the stakes (Higher up, you are far more likely to be able to just get them in pre when you 3 bet).  I probably 3 bet more often than shoving as I like to play a lot of my hands the same way and the shove makes your hand face up.  If you don't play much or play low, then I don't think you need to worry so much about this.

   

Nice post well thought out thanks, and yes im aware HUD stats are meaningless here esp 16 hands.

[Longy]

Meh I wouldn't say mean nothing. The fact that this guy has played 1 hand from 16 dealt (2 whole orbits) and raised that hand would lead us to believe he isn't a total nutjob. If someone did this in a live game I presume you would have tagged them for likely to be tight.

With vpip and pfr you can infer quite a bit from the small sample. As the chances of this guy being a maniac or a serial limper even over 16 hands is geniunely quite small.

[Sulphur man]

3b pre.

As played c/raise or donk lead 3/4pot. I don't hate the donk as much as others.

If i check, the reg is meant to bet and the fish call, then we can make our move and there are 2 extra bets in the pot
if the players are me, a reg and a fish my action is dictated by position vs the reg and fish
so in this exact hand, its different if the reg is SB and the fish had opened
now i can donk flop because fish might check back but will call a bet
with the reg in position cr is better, if the fish closes the action then leading comes into play i think.

[Bully87]

Aipf =]