45bbs vs big 3bet

[pleno1]

20 cubed, theres 14 left and we're currently 5 handed for some reason.

I'm new to the table but way out of line, I 5b very first hand then around 6 hands later cold 4/6bet jammed but havn't gone to showdown

Blinds are 500/100k 100

I make it 2000 from the cut off with a stack of 45,000
The cut off makes it 7000

Cut off is unknown and he is currently 1/14

What's our shoving range?

[rbolt2]

your both in the cut off

[pleno1]

Sry he 3bets the button

[outragous76]

min 4b/fold?

I think the problem with 4b jamming with no dymanic and reads is that we are kinda guessing. I think Id be asking myself how light is he calling it all off and then going with that range (this inevitably leads to a tighter range IMO).

If this isnt 6 max, just fold and wait to tables to balance?

To answer you question, QQ+ and probs JJ in game and given our image (and AK obv)  (Im assuming 45bbs is a very healthy stack tourney wsie this late?)

[outragous76]

and then I kinda tell myself if we are going with JJ we should add TT, and then the whole nitting it up loop starts in my head again 

[mondatoo]

4b/c QQ+ >>>>>>4b shoving

[pleno1]

with these stack sizes id generally 4b/call, his 3bet size is alarmingly huge though, 3.5x with these stacks is pretty retardedly big and we should just do pot to stack rather than initial big blinds or?

[outragous76]

I think because of his raise size, the min 4b is perfectly sized (12k?) for 2 reasons!

If he is terrible it might freak him out, but moreso, it leaves him nowhere to go (but all in obv), whereas if we have a bag of spammers we can let it go and maintain 30bbs+