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« Reply #285 on: June 03, 2012, 04:09:36 PM » |
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People can keep moaning about Liverpool players making the squad all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the reason that some players aren't on the plane is ego.
Richards and Carrick have no one else to blame but themselves. I'm sure if Ferdinand went to Hodgson and said he could play with Terry he would be there also. Not blaming him for the issue but should be able to put his country first.
Robinson, Foster, Scholes could of made the plane as well. Bent refusing to play for Villa at the end of the season, a 1 game runout might of just been enough.
Seems unlikely that is true about Ferdinand... Rio Ferdinand @rioferdy5 What reasons?  ?!!! Also did Richards or Hodgson say he refused to do so or is that from the press ?
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« Reply #286 on: June 03, 2012, 04:12:03 PM » |
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richards must of upset someone to be overlooked time after time by more than 1 England manager.
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« Reply #287 on: June 03, 2012, 04:16:35 PM » |
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richards must of upset someone to be overlooked time after time by more than 1 England manager.
If Ferdinand and Richards were both left out due to Terry I think that's a disgrace. Don't agree with the idea of putting your country first either, if it is the case that they have said they wouldn't play with Terry I accept their decision. I think somethings are more important than football, I'd include racism as one of those things.
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« Reply #288 on: June 03, 2012, 04:32:39 PM » |
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People can keep moaning about Liverpool players making the squad all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the reason that some players aren't on the plane is ego.
Richards and Carrick have no one else to blame but themselves. I'm sure if Ferdinand went to Hodgson and said he could play with Terry he would be there also. Not blaming him for the issue but should be able to put his country first.
Robinson, Foster, Scholes could of made the plane as well. Bent refusing to play for Villa at the end of the season, a 1 game runout might of just been enough.
Absolutely disagree with this. If you put your your principles and values to one side for personal gain well, you are a complete tosser imo.
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« Reply #289 on: June 03, 2012, 04:53:54 PM » |
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The squad and first 11 is looking dreadfully thread bare right now. Its an embarrasment.
There is now absolutely no reason ferdinand isnt in the squad
KIck racism out of football, what an absolute joke our FA is really. I hope the Ukrainian version on Panarama does an expose of our disgracefully racist decision makers
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« Reply #290 on: June 03, 2012, 05:02:57 PM » |
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Well he can't not be there on ability, nor age. Only excuse is he's injury prone.
Rio playing vs only France>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kelly being backup in the squad.
Don't think anybody would disagree with Richards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kelly either.
So clearly we are missing something.
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« Reply #291 on: June 03, 2012, 05:22:56 PM » |
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hodgson out
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« Reply #292 on: June 03, 2012, 07:31:43 PM » |
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I think Lescott and Jagielka are better than Rio nowadays anyway.
Think the real shame is the attitude of Richards/Carrick or the behvaiour of the FA towards them (I don't know who is in the wrong here) as they would be awesome to have in the squad now over the likes of Kelly and Henderson.
If Kelly does somehow start a game which I highly doubt, look for an absolutely massive first and anytime goalscorer price on betfair, he got in a lot of positions for Liverpool this season and was unlucky not to score goals and he scored 3 in 6 for the U21s.
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« Reply #293 on: June 03, 2012, 09:33:10 PM » |
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« Reply #294 on: June 04, 2012, 07:03:27 AM » |
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I think Lescott and Jagielka are better than Rio nowadays anyway.
This. So he's basically picked Jones over Rio. Jones is covering midfield which Rio doesn't do. It's really no big deal. Rio needs to pipe down imo. He doesn't realise he isn't rated as highly anymore. Lots of caps don't guarantee you more. "What reasons?  ?!!!" Ferguson told MUTV: "You play something like a game every four days. Rio Ferdinand couldn't do that."
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« Reply #295 on: June 04, 2012, 08:46:46 AM » |
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has to be lescott and jag for me now
have played over 150 club games together at centre back which is a massive plus
i fear that lescott will be forced to play right centre back as terry wont be moved from left centre back and those two will get caught out for pace (or more likely have to sit so deep it kills the game going forward)
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« Reply #296 on: June 04, 2012, 09:56:38 AM » |
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Rio started 37 games for Manchester United this season. He's got 81 caps in a squad where only 4 other players have hit 50. SAF better get shopping for a new centreback if Rio isn't a good footballer.
Also think Joe Cole can count himself unlucky. He played 42 games scoring 9 goals this season including CL football. 56 caps and 10 goals for England.
Would prefer Rio and Cole for Kelly and Downing.
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« Reply #297 on: June 04, 2012, 10:03:27 AM » |
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richards must of upset someone to be overlooked time after time by more than 1 England manager.
If Ferdinand and Richards were both left out due to Terry I think that's a disgrace. Don't agree with the idea of putting your country first either, if it is the case that they have said they wouldn't play with Terry I accept their decision. I think somethings are more important than football, I'd include racism as one of those things. Nail on head. I agree with people who put club before country at times.
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« Reply #298 on: June 04, 2012, 10:06:18 AM » |
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The squad and first 11 is looking dreadfully thread bare right now. Its an embarrasment.
There is now absolutely no reason ferdinand isnt in the squad
KIck racism out of football, what an absolute joke our FA is really. I hope the Ukrainian version on Panarama does an expose of our disgracefully racist decision makers
This post is just quality. It's only a shame that injuries to various people have brought it to light. We've made a joke of a decision over Terry/Ferdinand.
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« Reply #299 on: June 04, 2012, 10:10:08 AM » |
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All a bit harsh on Kely imo. He's generally been a better RB than Glen Johnson for the last season and a half. I'm not saying Johnson is incred or anything but Kelly won't let anyone down.
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