Heads Up POT LIMIT OMAHA Hand!

[SuuPRlim]

This one is a bit awkward. I guess chk/call - bet/call - chk/jam and maybe even bet-fold (seems suspect) are all options.


***** Hand History for Game 3292300977 ***** (IPoker)
$600.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, May 19, 08:20:06 ET 2012
Table Kologriv (No DP Heads Up) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: MeLikeyD ( $977.00 USD )
Seat 8: HERO ( $949.00 USD )
MeLikeyD posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$6.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [   ]
MeLikeyD raises [$15.00 USD]
HERO raises [$48.00 USD]
MeLikeyD calls [$36.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
HERO bets [$82.00 USD]
MeLikeyD calls [$82.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
HERO?


Pot is $272 and we have $813 back in stacks! As for the opponent, he's a reg, sits HU tables higher than 3/6 as well but this is the first time we played - that's pretty much all I know, not really any reads that were useful here, except he seemed to be folding to a slightly higher than average amount of cbets in 3bet pots - but sample was so small this is prolly inaccurate.

I thought that as I'd re-raised pre-flop I would know pretty much where I was in this hand, but I was actually a bit lost here on the turn. Which was odd.

[Patonius2000]

212/call

[rbolt2]

I think I like check jam the most, putting the pressure on with all the draws that we have.

[zerofive]

I like bet/call. Don't like check/call because we're forced to either give up on rivers that we miss and we're not guaranteed value if we get there. We could check/call and lead river to create an interesting dynamic but not doing this too frequently in 3bet pots obv.

Bet enough to get stacks in on river or right now. He can fold better and call worse for sure. He can even jam worse, JT/65 spade combos. Our hand is pretty much always a draw when we checkraise.

[Patonius2000]

I think I like check jam the most, putting the pressure on with all the draws that we have.

Yeah crai is ok with reads - like if you expect him to b/f bare overpairs as a bluff or some weak draws. But when this isn't the case we let him realise equity with the weak part of his range which isn't good. Given how wide he can call the flop I think we have a pretty profitable b/c. I'd also rather take a line that is +ev than try to take exploitive lines this early and readless in a hu match. Like when the turn checks through now you have a river to play, gl with that.

[Honeybadger]

Seems like a very simple bet/call on the turn. However things get interesting if villain double floats the turn rather than jamming and we don't river the nuts.

[SuuPRlim]

OK - lol left this one a while.

Couple of interesting questions.

What do we do with $1200 back in stacks?

What do we do when  we bet, he flats and the river is an ACE?

What do we do when we bet, he flats and the river is a total brick?

Bet $222 and he flats, river a 9?

[GreekStein]

I think I like check jam the most, putting the pressure on with all the draws that we have.

Yeah crai is ok with reads - like if you expect him to b/f bare overpairs as a bluff or some weak draws. But when this isn't the case we let him realise equity with the weak part of his range which isn't good. Given how wide he can call the flop I think we have a pretty profitable b/c. I'd also rather take a line that is +ev than try to take exploitive lines this early and readless in a hu match. Like when the turn checks through now you have a river to play, gl with that.

<3

[prettygreen]

Dave last time i knew the omaha rules i just bet as much as possible until the dealer declares. 'man is all in'. Am i that wrong?

[SuuPRlim]

Dave last time i knew the omaha rules i just bet as much as possible until the dealer declares. 'man is all in'. Am i that wrong?

there are deffo a couple of holes in your strategy but there are much worse approaches you could take

[TheFallen]

the only option i dont like on the turn is trying to check/jam.

What do we do with $1200 back in stacks? -- gona start to prefer bluff catching at some point as we get deeper.

What do we do when  we bet, he flats and the river is an ACE? -- hate life. for me its going to be a judgement call on how sick he is. He should think an ace is a good card for you and that you will be snapping off any river bet (unless its ) since everything misses. Essentially a super bad card to bluff and its an easy fold if he bets..... unless he's really sick haha.

What do we do when we bet, he flats and the river is a total brick? im check calling

Bet $222 and he flats, river a 9? still liking the call, its too tempting a card for him to bluff.

[Oxford_HRV]

I seriously love this hand, especially as it is an anonymous villain here.
I've been thinking and..
For my decision, I put myself as the villain presuming you haven't played long. If he sees you as a newbie here he will flat nearly all flops with bare OPs sets and draws basically anything waiting for you to commit su, leaving you clueless on blank turns, which has lead me to thinking he will expect you to lead again and be playing something that nuts up on dryish turns and rivers for example ..
A256, A456, 578T, 5728, all your mid to high runs 6789+ and nutty diamond hands.
My thoughts behind this range is if he is happy waiting and playing higher stakes HU he must enjoy the gamble and will feel comfortable playing light draws at this level hoping you will spaz out when he hits it. Its impossible to give an accurate range but this 8 is safe for you. if he is folding alot of 3b cbets, I'm sure he's waiting to spike something secret and nasty to stack you with. for the simple reason you may think he is huge ect when he does call.
I'd do exactly as the first post says... Lead 212/call
I believe there is alot more to understanding why he flats the flop bet, but that's just my opinion
Do you have results of the hand?

[SuuPRlim]

I dont think there is much too out of the ordinary about him flatting the flop cbet and not raising, we're 150big blinds deep and have 8.5~x pot left on the flop, there are loads of perfectly viable hands that he'd want to continue with that he doesn't really wanna raise/get in on the flop, stuff like 79JT with no spades or diamonds, A456 and so on, safe to say if I 3bet the flop here I'm going to show up with something quite strong all the time as I have no choice with no real 3bet pot dynamic to show him a pretty strong hand when he bet/get in something OTF with 8x pot sized bets behind.

[Oxford_HRV]

Yh flatting the flop isn't out of the ordinary but flatting with monsters? a slight possibility and alot less ordinary, if he wants to jam your turn bet when the spade didn't arrive, but as you're comfortably deep, stack to pot ratio, it makes me presume he has these 4card wraps maybe with BD diamonds. so all these hands he would like to continue with haven't became made on the turn, so you should definitely lead heavy again to show this guy you ain't F&@?!NG around. 

[SuuPRlim]

haha yh.

tbh when i bet/call the turn I'm prolly going to find myself vs 89** quite a bit, but as Rob says he's defending the flop pretty wide given the texture and the Pot2Stack so our initial turn bet is going to show quite a bit of profit, plus once he jams I'll be getting more than paid to call it off with 12 nut outs and quite likely another 6-8 as well.

he doesn't nessercarily need to have flatted a monster OTF to get stacks in OTT, any 89** plus he might ship a JT8* with spades that didn't wanna raise the flop, although hands of that ilk I think this player would have called again, given our lack of history he prolly expects me to be just bet/calling an OP with spades most of the time I bet the turn again, although he'll very likely recognise my alias so will know me as a reg and I'm sure will expect me to be b/f the turn often enough to make a semi bluff here ok.