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« on: May 25, 2012, 02:07:14 PM »

hand from a friend of mine, thought it was pretty difficult.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Entraction)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 16, 05:49:53 ET 2012
Table Solna (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $47.16 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.8, Hands: 3259
Seat 2: Player2 ( $52.25 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 2504
Seat 3: Player3 ( $96.24 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 4.2, Hands: 453
Seat 4: Player4 ( $68.24 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 268
Seat 5: Player5 ( $56.94 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 3, AF: 5.0, Hands: 94
Seat 6: Hero ( $136.83 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 645669
Player3 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [   ]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.50 USD]
Player2 raises [$6.75 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero ?


whats best hand we 4b/fold here? worst hand we 4b/call?
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 04:22:45 PM »

Your friend appears to have found the only table on Entraction with hardly any fishies.

He also appears to be a bit of a nit.

Binning here as the 3-bettor appears to be a competent reg and I would assume sees you as a nit. Probably 4b/f AQs+ and 4b/call AKs JJ+

Disclaimer: I am also a nit.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 06:18:50 PM »

4b/folding aqs on this spot seems bad but happy to be persuaded otherwise, feels just too much of a value hand s a btn squeeze
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 11:30:02 PM »

4b/c QQ+ AK, folding everything else, never 4b/folding. It's not hard to beat this level, unless you make it hard.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 11:53:14 PM »

4b/c QQ+ AK, folding everything else, never 4b/folding. It's not hard to beat this level, unless you make it hard.

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 01:39:16 PM »

erm, he should get his foundations right first, like being seated a table with a lot of value.

As played his 3b is 7%, hero opened utg+1, ur not getting exploited by a 50nl reg too often, fold quickly.

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 04:05:40 AM »

for someone who opens 20% of the time 1/5 and is effectively betting 3.75 to win 3.75 if he puts you on 77+ ATs +
then he is effectively knowing if you are a nit you will only continue with approx 1/3 of your hands therefore he is +EV raising you in postion
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 06:31:58 PM »

I am folding here. Range to shove is QQ+.  I am not sure shoving AK is +ev as there is likely a pair so depending on my read would flat that hand.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 03:33:53 AM »

I am folding here. Range to shove is QQ+.  I am not sure shoving AK is +ev as there is likely a pair so depending on my read would flat that hand.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 06:45:48 PM »

What's with the 18/13 pre hero has? Strange for 6max no?

I think this is an easy pass, be aware of his 3bet vs you tho, and maybe play with some filters here, could be useful
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 07:05:45 PM »

What's with the 18/13 pre hero has? Strange for 6max no?

I think this is an easy pass, be aware of his 3bet vs you tho, and maybe play with some filters here, could be useful

As a perceived nit based on (18/13) I think he's squeezing alot lighter than what people think. Heros F3B stat would be useful.

AJs is a big meh hand in this spot.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 09:08:30 PM »

As a perceived nit based on (18/13) I think he's squeezing alot lighter than what people think. Heros F3B stat would be useful.

Not sure I have understood you right, but it appears that you suggesting that villain will be 3betting more widely against hero than usual since hero is tight with his open raising range (18/13 etc). If this is what you are meaning, then it is backwards logic.
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 11:03:55 PM »

I definitely 3bet nits as much if not more than aggro guys, sure they aren't going to have trash in their range but they are still opening a lot of combos of hands and because they are nits they aren't going to be fighting back. For example squeezing in this spot looks incred.
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 11:31:35 PM »

3betting liberally against tight players may seem to work because you can go through stretches in which you run into the bottom of their ranges all the time. But as a long-term game plan it is completely the wrong approach to playing good poker. It's a bit of a cliche, but give action to action. Your value range should be massively constricted vs a tight player. And hence your bluff range should be correspondingly reduced. Otherwise you are completely out of line/unbalanced. Of course, if you are playing against a very bad weak-tight nit who doesn't know how to adjust then getting really out of line with your bluff/nuts ratios is a great exploitative strategy. But it will be doomed to failure if your opponent is competent. Not all tight players are bad players...

You don't exploit very tight players by 3betting them a lot... you CRUSH THEM by folding a lot
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 11:34:36 PM »

It totally depends if their fold to 3bet % = y and it's insanely profitable to 3bet the. It's almost always goIng to be better to 3bet, also gives us a lot more implied odds in future single and multi raised pots where the not will stack off a lot easier vs us than anybody else.
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