live 2 /2. Omaha

[rfgqqabc]

Have  , one limp, I open to 7 playing 180, 7 ways to the flop, I'm 4th to act under the gun. Flop     ,  standard gr dire, easily most ridiculous game in the world, super loose, very passive pre, money goes in pre with some regularity, two good regs behind, three players in front would donk lead nut hands. Bet/get in??

[JK]

We've flopped trips but have 2 outs to a redraw which in 6o is pretty horrendous. Only reason i dont mind so much vs fishier players is they wont be anywhere near as nutted if we're going with it.

Am defo gonna lead but getting it in is very read/player dependant. Not liking it 1 bit though

[Honeybadger]

This is 5 card PLO right? Or is it a mistype?

Tbh, this could even be a check-fold at 4 card PLO, given the very marginal strength of your hand combined with it being a super-multiway pot; although bet-folding is fine too. At 5 card PLO, however, this is a no-brainer check-fold. It is not close.

Even considering bet/getting-in this hand is suicidal.

[JK]

Yeah sorry 5 card PLO.

vs alot of the DTD regs (im assuming here this is at DTD), I dont think its as bad as you think. Some of them are absolutely shit.

However saying that, I am pretty spewy as hell at PLO with more than 4 cards. Would probably class myself as value lol. Also skimmed past the fact theres 7 players in the pot OTF. Defo not even close

[Honeybadger]

vs alot of the DTD regs (im assuming here this is at DTD), I dont think its as bad as you think. Some of them are absolutely shit.

Yep, some of them are very bad. And one of the ways in which they are bad is that if they were in hero's place in this exact spot they would usually stack off here. We can 'outplay them' by not doing the same thing, and thus gain a reciprocal edge.

However saying that, I am pretty spewy as hell at PLO with more than 4 cards. Would probably class myself as value lol.

Lol... that sort of proves my point right? 

Also skimmed past the fact theres 7 players in the pot OTF. Defo not even close

Yep, agreed.

JK... who are you BTW? I am Stu Barnett, have we played together? I am still getting to know who everyone is on Blonde.

[JK]

Haha yeah. I blame it on the inner spew.

Im Jamie Kay. Probably know me/ill know you by face if you play at DTD

[Honeybadger]

Hi Jamie. Can't place you, but you're right we'd probably recognise each other by face. I don't go to DTD too much any more since the good cash games pretty much died... maybe once every six weeks at most.

[DMorgan]

First of all I'd like to point out that most posters in PHA are pretty pedantic about stuff like terminology and would snap close this thread without replying. I'd usually be one of these pedants, but since I think it'll be of future benefit to everybody to see more posts with more replies I'll just clear a couple of things up.

First action is always an open so the first guy open limps, you make it 7 and UTG is third to act


To the actual hand - I'd definitely just limp along pre with this hand. I don't think that it has enough nut potential to take to a flop that is always going to be multi-way and you're rarely going to be in position. You can flop top set which is obviously the big positive but you're drawing to two non-nut flushes and your baby rundown is easily dominated. Second nut straights and second nut flushes are going to be really dangerous because from my experience in these games people rarely bluff but it can be pretty tough to find folds vs a punty lineup where almost everyone is playing a VPIP >70%. I haven't played 4/5/6 in about 18 months but the few times that I did I was a reasonably big loser because of this. If your default/autopilot actions tend to be a little stationy (as mine were 18 months ago)(in before still are ldo) then this is gunna get really expensive really quickly.

As Stu said above this an absolute snap check/fold.

You could bet/fold if you thought that there were hands that would call that you beat and that you have good equity against but I don't think that this is the case here. When you bet, you're pretty under it as soon as someone even calls. In this sort of game the nut flush draw isn't folding the flop for one bet, neither are wraps. Here is a simulation of your hand vs a weaker non-house 6 with a bowl flush draw which I think is probably the lightest anyone gets it in: http://www.pokeritieto.fi/muut/pokerilaskuri/p500_id/91089

[rfgqqabc]

Sorry was posted over the phone and in between hands. Game isn't at dtd, but pretty similar although I've only had 10 hours experience ingame. Default is check/fold here? I led for 50 and everyone folded, I might fold to a raise depending on player, proc folding to 5 and getting it in vs 2, but unlikely for some to have it here. I'm 4th to act flop, under the gun +1, under the gun limped and is new to Omaha. In my opinion raise 7 > limp here, as we get some scrap out and hopefully get better position, fair? Dan sometimes people would get in 65572 here, but point taken!

[Honeybadger]

Default is check/fold here? I led for 50 and everyone folded, I might fold to a raise depending on player, proc folding to 5 and getting it in vs 2, but unlikely for some to have it here. I'm 4th to act flop, under the gun +1, under the gun limped and is new to Omaha. In my opinion raise 7 > limp here, as we get some scrap out and hopefully get better position, fair? Dan sometimes people would get in 65572 here, but point taken!

You seem to be struggling to accept that this is a really simple check-fold. And you're even considering getting the money all-in if raised, depending on the player! Honestly, it really isn't close. Check and fold.

Preflop is ok, but over-limping is at least as good if not better as Dan says. You have a crap hand really, you basically have KK and 3 rags. Small wrap cards and non-nut flush draws have very little value in 5 and 6 card PLO, especially in games in which multiway pots are the norm.

[DMorgan]

Sorry was posted over the phone and in between hands. Game isn't at dtd, but pretty similar although I've only had 10 hours experience ingame. Default is check/fold here? I led for 50 and everyone folded, I might fold to a raise depending on player, proc folding to 5 and getting it in vs 2, but unlikely for some to have it here. I'm 4th to act flop, under the gun +1, under the gun limped and is new to Omaha. In my opinion raise 7 > limp here, as we get some scrap out and hopefully get better position, fair? Dan sometimes people would get in 65572 here, but point taken!

Why are you trying to get trash to fold pre? Trash makes up the vast majority of a range that your hand plays well against pre.

I don't dispute that sometimes if you get it in you'll get shown 65572 here but to show a profit we need to be ahead of his range as a whole, not just a few of the very worst hands.

[SuuPRlim]

trivial chk/fold imo we can't stand any action at all.

Every now and then it'll check through mind and then depending on the turn card we could consider betting, but even when flop chks through there will be a lot of turn cards to chk/fold as well.

Good way to think is that you are vs 30 other cards. which is half the deck, it's a lot of cards to be facing when we have only 3 cards we can start value-betting on,

[rfgqqabc]

5 card game needs a rework, I thought I was mindnumbingly tight before, sigh. Ok cheers guys lots to think about, fantastic response time too!!!

[tikay]

More of this sort of stuff, please, love it.

I fold this too, with barely even a sigh. To be fair, I fold most everything.

[prettygreen]

I think im getting to the turn if the game is as fishy as it sounds. You can kinda get a good feel as to whether you are good just by judging your opponent on bet size on turn.

Dont mind your flop bet, but i think we can happily bet less, around just under half pot.