1/2 live @ DTD, puke river spot

[rbc_mike]

I like the 3 bet pre but maybe do it bigger and charge the monson for his bad peel.  He doesnt have k10/810 here as hes just raising those on turn esp versus other villain in the hand.  So he either has a flush or is turning a made hand into a bluff.  It seems like a simple fold but the problem is after eating and sleazing Mitch's next favourite hobby is turning made hands into bluffs - if he has Q10 here i think hes shoving to get you off a better Q (mitch might also shove AQ here as a bluff which further complicates it!). 
Also relevant is how deep Stearn is - i.e. Does Mitch think he has enough behind to get him to fold.  With Stearns bet sizing on the turn i doubt he has a super strong hand and Mitch will prob know this as well.
All in all i think its closer than it normally would be just because of the villains involved but prob got to fold because of the appaling board run out.

Very much this. Could make it 37 pre?

[pleno1]

i really dislike the 3bet pre. mitch is going to make your life hell post flop and the other dude isnt going to fold and we cant just bbjam lots of boards because of stack sizes.

how shallow do we have to be in your opinion to make 3betting kqo profitable here?

I think being 120bbs or less will be good and expoit his bad peels.

i think we go 3 way to the flop almost always, the PokerStrategy.com equilab tool shows us the following equity's.


Equity Win Tie 
MP2  35.05%  32.66%  2.38% KQo
MP3  29.73%  28.92%  0.81% 88-22, AQs-A2s, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, AJo-ATo, KJo-KTo, QTo+, JTo, T8o+, 98o
CO  35.22%  32.80%  2.42% JJ-22, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AQo, KQo


We're also not going to win often when we don't have the best hand and sometimes fold when we do have the best hand. Cbetting vs these two ranges on a range of different boards isn't going to show a profit either I don't think.

If we want to exploit Mitch's week range I'd prefer to go for "thin" c/raises and value bets rather than inflating the pot and being in lots of uncomfortable post flop spots.

[polaroid83]

There's multiple things I dislike about this hand. 3 bettin to 31 is way to big when your oop to a player like Mitch. He will out play most people for fun . The flop bet is ok maybe a little bigger like 60-65. But surly when we get called in 2 spots on the flop we are never good IMO. So why check call the turn and still leave the action open to Mitch. Now were at the river just fold. Although I don't think Mitch has a flush.  Think I just check fold the turn on this one.

[rbc_mike]

There's multiple things I dislike about this hand. 3 bettin to 31 is way to big when your oop to a player like Mitch. He will out play most people for fun . The flop bet is ok maybe a little bigger like 60-65. But surly when we get called in 2 spots on the flop we are never good IMO. So why check call the turn and still leave the action open to Mitch. Now were at the river just fold. Although I don't think Mitch has a flush.  Think I just check fold the turn on this one.

What size to you suggest 3betting to? Surely the smaller we go, the harder we get owned as effective stacks are deeper? Otf I don't see why we can't have the best hand alot of the time, turn is a much trickier spot imo.  We are three handed as well, hu I'm gonna bet this turn alot, and agree that im c/f the turn alot 3 way, but the action has developed quite strangely at this point.

Also, if Mitch doesn't have a flush as you say, what does he have otr that we should still fold to?

[Rickie Belfield]

yh don't like the 3bet pf, would prefer a fold but given how mitch is gong to open a ton of Kx's and Qx's I think flatting, even with an offsuit hand here is good.

As played bet/call or c/f the turn, I think chk/call is the nut low line as we let everyone else realize their equity, and make the river boarderline unplayable for ourselves turning a hand with decent value into a really tricky bluff catcher.

bet call turn for me.

What exactly do you mean "realize their equity"?

[SuuPRlim]

yh don't like the 3bet pf, would prefer a fold but given how mitch is gong to open a ton of Kx's and Qx's I think flatting, even with an offsuit hand here is good.

As played bet/call or c/f the turn, I think chk/call is the nut low line as we let everyone else realize their equity, and make the river boarderline unplayable for ourselves turning a hand with decent value into a really tricky bluff catcher.

bet call turn for me.

What exactly do you mean "realize their equity"?

any spot where you dont have the nuts (speshly 3way) you have less than 100% equity, anytime you allow hands with 1%+ equity to seee an additional card for free you let him realise equity he basically isnt entitled to because he should be folding.

Obviously most of the time he has decent equity he'll be calling anyways, and often there are decent strategic reasons to not bet, but denying other people their equity is somthing that you should always consider because even when we win 100% of a pot we only have 90% equity in, we gain a small bit of equity that isn't ours.