Support from the rail - When is it cheating? more integrity needed in the game

[DMorgan]

The onus is completely on the player to protect his hand. Any disadvantage that a player suffers from not protecting his hand is entirely self inflicted.

[mouth]

I watched the hand and did my best to report it impartially.

I'm paid to do updates for DTD and so that's what I do. Obviously I do plenty of rubdowns etc but it's light hearted and never meant maliciously.

In this instance, the person who signalled is someone who is currently trying to make me bankrupt after we went to court and the judge found in his favour. It isn't a secret. I won't bother going into the history on here as it's a pure derail, but I'm sure it becomes a little clearer now why I really felt it important to try and simply report what happened, in my capacity as a Blonde/DTD employee at the time.

Now though, I'm posting on a thread as a member.

I did not want anyone to be able to say I was abusing my position to gloat or take any personal satisfaction from it at the time.

That's why I purposely didn't name the person who signalled.

Prior to the incident, one of the signaller's friends tried to pour beer down me when I was standing at the side of the feature table. I had to keep a smile fixed on my face like nothing was bothering me, when in reality I was mortified. All four of them were very drunk & loud and I found myself in a horrendous position as if anyone else had done this I would have asked to have them removed. I felt at the time that they were attempting to goad me into a reaction, which included walking straight towards me and not attempting to move as if to walk into me (this went on all night) Obviously after the beer incident I tried to distance myself even more but I felt a little intimidated, as the signaller had kicked off on me once before, in a Blackpool pub during the GUKPT. Truthfully I felt like going home. Yeah yeah I know I'm big and loud and scary but it was 4am and I've got four huge drunk blokes trying to have a go while I'm working. Not a situation any woman would enjoy, and probably not most blokes.

Our case was settled in court - against me - yet I then have to put up with a grown man, a succesfull businessman, acting like an overweight school bully. Personally, I don't think that's right. I didn't go to Simon or Rob for one simple reason. I was embarrassed. Embarrassed about once again having to haul my private life into public, and yes, there was also a large part of me was worried they may decide to not use me for updates any more. I love that job, and love updating at DTD, plus - I need the money. Simple as that.

I did vent my anger and upset on Facebook, but later deleted it as didn't want any of my 1900 poker playing "friends" to link the thread with me naming this man on FB, in case it reflected badly on me in a professional capacity.


So.. to the incident. I was seated at the media table and noticed the signaller waving to two of his mates who were at the bar. I thought it was odd as he was urgently beckoning them, as they hadn't noticed, but he never called them or made a sound. I wondered why he didn't just call them, and went to see what was happening. At this stage the signaller was standing directly behind Greek Jack.

As I got there Jack went all in for 4 million chips. This was after Mark james had raised to 450K (I think) then Jack made it 1.1 or 1.2 M to go. The flop was something like 223. Mark James was sitting forward, sighing etc but not actually speaking. I saw the TD (Ryan) turn to the signaller and tell him not to signal to players during a hand, and of course I was instantly alert, but mainly because of who it was. The signaller then repeated the supposed signal loads of times to show the TD he wasn't actually signalling and was arguing with him. Mark then sat back in his chair, and commented to Jack about putting him on AK, dwelled a little longer and made the call for 4/5ths of his chip stack.

That's what happened, all simple facts.

But here's my opinion.


Whether they cheated or not - only they know that and they have to live with it if so - IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL PLAYERS TO PROTECT THEIR CARDS AT ALL TIMES. And I genuinely believe that, despite the bullying and the history. I can't pretend otherwise simply because I think the guy is a nasty twat.

Greek Jack was spitting mad and I really felt for him because I think he's a pretty decent guy, but I agree with DTD's decision. If Jack felt something untoward had gone on he needed to stop the comp there and then to get it resolved. 24 hours later is too late - what can DTD do? They can't strip him of his win!

Do I think the signaller cheated? Yes, I do.

Do I think the player took advantage of his friend attempting to help him? I don't know. He may not have seen the signal, or he may have been calling anyway. I do agree with general opinion that if Jack had Aces or Kings he isn't going all in for 4 million into a pot less than 3 million first to act, so I think a lot of you would have made that call, knowing your Jacks were good. If that is the case, he made a great call and doesn't deserve to be linked to his boss's stupidity.

It's a shame the situation arose. But if Jack had protected his hand, this whole situation wouldn't have happened.

Best advice I can give to anyone, protect your cards.

[jgcblack]

Excellent post. I hope dtd agree that was a very professional and impartial view and continue to keep you on.

Bottom line its the players fault, end of.

[cambridgealex]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

[mouth]

Excellent post. I hope dtd agree that was a very professional and impartial view and continue to keep you on.

Bottom line its the players fault, end of.

Thank you. Not an easy post to write so I appreciate that.

[bobby1]

blimey mate that sounds like a horrid spot, I think you reported it bang on given the situation.

[mouth]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

Although about 34 of them are fake profiles set up by Gary Gilbo, do they count?

The mad thing is, I've met the majority of my FB friends, they're not totally random adds, although the Cougar surname does attract some wierdos. I tend to go for the "ten mutal friends or more" rule before accepting!

[mouth]

blimey mate that sounds like a horrid spot, I think you reported it bang on given the situation.

Cheers. Even got Jon from DTD to read the post first just in case, really didn't want it to come across as baised.

[dreenie]

Great post Caroline, and IMHO, you have handled this whole situation in a very adult and dignifying manner. I can imagine how you must have felt when everyone things you can handle your self, intimidation is not nice, it is cruel, and very spiteful.

I think you are a great updater , with bags of humor and u always make me laugh whenever I read the updates you are doing.

Take care X

[jgcblack]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

Although about 34 of them are fake profiles set up by Gary Gilbo, do they count?

The mad thing is, I've met the majority of my FB friends, they're not totally random adds, although the Cougar surname does attract some wierdos. I tend to go for the "ten mutal friends or more" rule before accepting!

[ ] Can confirm sure did meet me before adding me.... I had to explain to my girlfriend, tyvm.

[mouth]

Great post Caroline, and IMHO, you have handled this whole situation in a very adult and dignifying manner. I can imagine how you must have felt when everyone things you can handle your self, intimidation is not nice, it is cruel, and very spiteful.

I think you are a great updater , with bags of humor and u always make me laugh whenever I read the updates you are doing.

Take care X

Thank you Dreenie x

[Woodsey]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

That is just nuts, I don't get all these people that have so many 'friends' its just nonsense if you ask me, why do you even want all these people on there being nosey at your life?

[mouth]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

That is just nuts, I don't get all these people that have so many 'friends' its just nonsense if you ask me, why do you even want all these people on there being nosey at your life?

I don't, that's why I have my personal facebook account in my real name.

May seem a bit up myself, but i tend to get loads of requests, mainly I suppose because I work in poker so meet loads of players. So I keep the Cougar FB as poker only, and my private life goes on my personal FB. The only poker players on there are people I know well, like and respect, and see as real friends rather than poker buddies. The Cougar FB tends to be updated purely with music if I'm playing poker online, or joke statuses usually nicked from Sikipedia.

[mouth]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

Although about 34 of them are fake profiles set up by Gary Gilbo, do they count?

The mad thing is, I've met the majority of my FB friends, they're not totally random adds, although the Cougar surname does attract some wierdos. I tend to go for the "ten mutal friends or more" rule before accepting!

[ ] Can confirm sure did meet me before adding me.... I had to explain to my girlfriend, tyvm.

Lol! Please explain to your girlfriend I add any Blonde members - you weren't special

[jgcblack]

Wow.

1900 friends? Really?

Just checked - 2096.

Although about 34 of them are fake profiles set up by Gary Gilbo, do they count?

The mad thing is, I've met the majority of my FB friends, they're not totally random adds, although the Cougar surname does attract some wierdos. I tend to go for the "ten mutal friends or more" rule before accepting!

[ ] Can confirm sure did meet me before adding me.... I had to explain to my girlfriend, tyvm.

Lol! Please explain to your girlfriend I add any Blonde members - you weren't special

Don't lie to yourself in public... its embarrasing!

ISIT!!!!!!