Looks like the big Ipoker shake up is happening

[tikay]

£1.3 million in online poker revenue during 2011 for Rank, so I wouldn't count your chickens.

Given the sheer enormous scale & size of Rank, poker cannot be anything but a distraction & a waste of valuable management resource, £1.3 mill is of no import whatsoever, especially as it has no scope to improve by much, if any. 

Don't want to derail the thread, but pretty sure there is plenty of scope to improve. They did £12m in the live rooms during the same period...

The revenue per sq ft in B & M from poker is significantly less than it is from areas occupied by House Games though Alan. And even £12 million is insignificant in the greater scheme of things to Rank.

"auto-Roulette" machines earn more per sq ft, use less staff resource, & the punters don't kick up the fuss that poker players do.....

[AlunB]

Yeah blackbelt poker piggyback (I am pretty clueless so might not be the right term) off boyles but it's good to read from a Tikay post that Neil is ahead of the game. I have accounts with many ipoker sites,after blackbelt, paddy power and chilli are my favs but reading various articles only a few will be in the elite bracket. I understand these include Titan, William hills, bet365.

Just readthegenting comment.  There must be massive implications for Brs guys too

Several months ago I was told Paddy Power, Blue Sq, Titan and another, PP did not want boyles in as they're Irish rivals!

About a 0% chance bet365 and William Hill aren't included.

[AlunB]

£1.3 million in online poker revenue during 2011 for Rank, so I wouldn't count your chickens.

Given the sheer enormous scale & size of Rank, poker cannot be anything but a distraction & a waste of valuable management resource, £1.3 mill is of no import whatsoever, especially as it has no scope to improve by much, if any.  

Don't want to derail the thread, but pretty sure there is plenty of scope to improve. They did £12m in the live rooms during the same period...

The revenue per sq ft in B & M from poker is significantly less than it is from areas occupied by House Games though Alan. And even £12 million is insignificant in the greater scheme of things to Rank.

"auto-Roulette" machines earn more per sq ft, use less staff resource, & the punters don't kick up the fuss that poker players do.....

Of course, but under that reasoning nobody should ever offer poker.

What I meant was if you're earning ten times as much in your live rooms as you are online, there is definitely some room for growth there. I think a tiny tiny fraction of their live players play online, and they have stated they want to increase this number.

[DMorgan]

Chances of Boyle making the cut? Or am I going to be homeless when it comes to playing online? 

[tikay]

They have not invested much in developing the Online product, no, but why would they? They would need to spend money on something - a network skin - over which they have no management control, & very little influence. So they cannot impose their own USP or "message", & have no muscle with i-Poker, who will do whatever they damn well like.

It only exists so as to provide a "complete solution" platform. 

Now, if they could build & develop an in-house product, that's different, because they can control it completely.

[AlunB]

They have not invested much in developing the Online product, no, but why would they? They would need to spend money on something - a network skin - over which they have no management control, & very little influence. So they cannot impose their own USP or "message", & have no muscle with i-Poker, who will do whatever they damn well like.

It only exists so as to provide a "complete solution" platform. 

Now, if they could build & develop an in-house product, that's different, because they can control it completely.

Sorry, I ninja edited my post

I don't think you have to own your own tech to succeed, and although it does obviously give you an advantage it also carries with it some significant problems and risks.

[tikay]

They have not invested much in developing the Online product, no, but why would they? They would need to spend money on something - a network skin - over which they have no management control, & very little influence. So they cannot impose their own USP or "message", & have no muscle with i-Poker, who will do whatever they damn well like.

It only exists so as to provide a "complete solution" platform. 

Now, if they could build & develop an in-house product, that's different, because they can control it completely.

Sorry, I ninja edited my post #

I don't think you have to own your own tech to succeed, and although it does obviously give you an advantage it also carries with it some significant problems and risks.

Lol yes, I noticed, but I had a head of steam up by then.

[jack2off]

Yeah blackbelt poker piggyback (I am pretty clueless so might not be the right term) off boyles but it's good to read from a Tikay post that Neil is ahead of the game. I have accounts with many ipoker sites,after blackbelt, paddy power and chilli are my favs but reading various articles only a few will be in the elite bracket. I understand these include Titan, William hills, bet365.

Just readthegenting comment.  There must be massive implications for Brs guys too

Several months ago I was told Paddy Power, Blue Sq, Titan and another, PP did not want boyles in as they're Irish rivals!

About a 0% chance bet365 and William Hill aren't included.

Sorry Hills was the other!

[Skgv]

What does it all mean then ? You will have to Join a new network to get access to all the games ?

[jack2off]

I hear today, Ipoker will be split into 2 tiers, tier 1 will be the old IPOKER, tier 2 will be IPOKER 2 which the non major companies will be on. Unfortunately it seems like all the little skins on the back of the ipoker 2 sites will disappear!

Blue Sq will currently be put on tier 2 (unless small chance they merge with gala since this buy out) and they have enough revenue then to go into Tier1!

This is going to happen in September!

Be interested to hear from someone at Black Belt to see how they are going to fair with Boyles?

[jack2off]

Also, anyone who doesn't get on TIER1, will be worthless in 6 months after as all the players will have migrated over to sites on tier1 where all the traffic will be. Tier2 will be dead within no time!

Also heard since my last post, Blue Sq MAY get on tier 1 as they're in negotiations with IPOKER/Playtech on going into Tier1. As it currently stands, they're going into Tier2!

[jack2off]

looks like a bit of change, all def happening Sept,

boyle poker, blue sq not involved, neither are Genting/Encore although the first 2 are definitely fighting to get on this 2nd IPOKER network.

Ones I def know are going are Paddy Power, Bet365, Mansion, Will Hills,Corals (one i cant remember name of poker 76....something) and 1 other.

From what i hear its going to be huge!

[pleno1]

poker770 will move over.

[smashedagain]

looks like a bit of change, all def happening Sept,

boyle poker, blue sq not involved, neither are Genting/Encore although the first 2 are definitely fighting to get on this 2nd IPOKER network.

Ones I def know are going are Paddy Power, Bet365, Mansion, Will Hills,Corals (one i cant remember name of poker 76....something) and 1 other.

From what i hear its going to be huge!

What are one way n blackbelt going to do about this Quinney?

[pleno1]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo