Looks like the big Ipoker shake up is happening

[GreekStein]

Pads what do you think will happen to the smaller networks?

Just curious on what PStrat think of it all

[AlunB]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo

True. But moving networks is a massive ballache and you always lose a chunk of your existing customers. More likely a lot of the skins will just focus less and less marketing money on poker making that network worse and worse.

[pleno1]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo

True. But moving networks is a massive ballache and you always lose a chunk of your existing customers. More likely a lot of the skins will just focus less and less marketing money on poker making that network worse and worse.

Hm nan I disagree.

Te networks I mentioned have good brand loyalty. The Paul romains if this world don't care f they are on entraction or ongame.

Skins like purple lounge yes because they have brand loyalty to the network as are finding he best deal. But on these sites (you don't even get rake back through blackbelt directly at least) the loss of players is not a big problem at all.

[pleno1]

Pads what do you think will happen to the smaller networks?

Just curious on what PStrat think of it all

Thoughts are mine as always. Ipoker2 going to be a very good thing for ps as it stops the illegal under the table deals that we currently struggle to compete with as we always follow the rules very strictly whilst on the new network I assume things will be put in place to police this and it will be a very legit network. And as with other previous legit networks pokerstrategy always he been able to offer a very rewarding and competitive deal.

[AlunB]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo

True. But moving networks is a massive ballache and you always lose a chunk of your existing customers. More likely a lot of the skins will just focus less and less marketing money on poker making that network worse and worse.

Hm nan I disagree.

Te networks I mentioned have good brand loyalty. The Paul romains if this world don't care f they are on entraction or ongame.

Skins like purple lounge yes because they have brand loyalty to the network as are finding he best deal. But on these sites (you don't even get rake back through blackbelt directly at least) the loss of players is not a big problem at all.

Yeah sorry I didn't read your comment closely enough. I was thinking of the likes of bluesq, betfred etc.

Moving networks isn't simple though. And you will lose customers. Also where do you move to?

[jack2off]

poker770 will move over.

thats the one! (poker 76 something)

[jack2off]

looks like a bit of change, all def happening Sept,

boyle poker, blue sq not involved, neither are Genting/Encore although the first 2 are definitely fighting to get on this 2nd IPOKER network.

Ones I def know are going are Paddy Power, Bet365, Mansion, Will Hills,Corals (one i cant remember name of poker 76....something) and 1 other.

From what i hear its going to be huge!

What are one way n blackbelt going to do about this Quinney?

not sure about BB, But one way are in discussions with one of the big ones about moving with them, but there will be no skins any longer for the smaller boys but we have a work around. To be fair, we're ok because we work on live events off the back of satellites online which we can still do and have our own identity the way we do them, but likes of the other skins like BB/Encore, not sure, its a nightmare because they've spent a lot of money. No doubt they'll have something in the pipeline!
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[dreenie]

It's William Hill, Paddy Power, Titan, Blue square. Think that's it.

It's all about the cash games, the tournaments shouldn't be affected, think most smaller skins will move to the Ongame Network..

[pleno1]

It's William Hill, Paddy Power, Titan, Blue square. Think that's it.

It's all about the cash games, the tournaments shouldn't be affected, think most smaller skins will move to the Ongame Network..

It will be more than this I am pretty sure. Mansion/Poker770 almost locks.

[pleno1]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo

True. But moving networks is a massive ballache and you always lose a chunk of your existing customers. More likely a lot of the skins will just focus less and less marketing money on poker making that network worse and worse.

Hm nan I disagree.

Te networks I mentioned have good brand loyalty. The Paul romains if this world don't care f they are on entraction or ongame.

Skins like purple lounge yes because they have brand loyalty to the network as are finding he best deal. But on these sites (you don't even get rake back through blackbelt directly at least) the loss of players is not a big problem at all.

Yeah sorry I didn't read your comment closely enough. I was thinking of the likes of bluesq, betfred etc.

Moving networks isn't simple though. And you will lose customers. Also where do you move to?

There's some alternatives. Depending who buys Ongame there can be great potential there. Microgaming is restructuring and has alot of desirable options such as their great software etc.

For undesirable skins who have previous history giving illegal rakeback and try to get a big network to take them on I think their days are numbered, and deservingly so

[dreenie]

How long do u think it will take for the guarantees and structures to go back to what they were on Micro Pads?

[pleno1]

How long do u think it will take for the guarantees and structures to go back to what they were on Micro Pads?

Supply and demand Dreenie.

I know that MG looked very hard into their MTT structures/prizepools etc and tried to make it as good as possible for the players without costing them too much. They are a great network and I think will grow to be very successful over the next 5 years. Definitely a network who is forward thinking and looking to the future and are setting things in stone for them to be here for a long time etc.

[AlunB]

good chance for some of the other networks to get some of the upper brands from ipoker 1 such as genting/blackbelt imo

True. But moving networks is a massive ballache and you always lose a chunk of your existing customers. More likely a lot of the skins will just focus less and less marketing money on poker making that network worse and worse.

Hm nan I disagree.

Te networks I mentioned have good brand loyalty. The Paul romains if this world don't care f they are on entraction or ongame.

Skins like purple lounge yes because they have brand loyalty to the network as are finding he best deal. But on these sites (you don't even get rake back through blackbelt directly at least) the loss of players is not a big problem at all.

Yeah sorry I didn't read your comment closely enough. I was thinking of the likes of bluesq, betfred etc.

Moving networks isn't simple though. And you will lose customers. Also where do you move to?

There's some alternatives. Depending who buys Ongame there can be great potential there. Microgaming is restructuring and has alot of desirable options such as their great software etc.

For undesirable skins who have previous history giving illegal rakeback and try to get a big network to take them on I think their days are numbered, and deservingly so

Ongame's future looks so uncertain at the moment though, and Micro might be out of the frying pan.

Agree on positive changes at MG. There is a reason they are the longest running company in online gambling.

[pleno1]

Ongame do very well in regulated markets. Unibet use ten for .fr and they have good strategies in that regard. Zynga my potentially take over ongame according to some sources which obviously changes everything

[AlunB]

Ongame do very well in regulated markets. Unibet use ten for .fr and they have good strategies in that regard. Zynga my potentially take over ongame according to some sources which obviously changes everything

Ongame do well in Italy because they bought out one of the largest players gioco digitale. They do OK in France, but nobody makes any money there. And how well they will do in future regulated markets without the bwin.party machine behind them remains to be seen.

I can't see any sense at all in that Zynga takeover. And it's not like eGR have a great track record in breaking actual stories. Rumour and gossip sure...

But yeah would be really interesting if it were true. Presume would be the start of a real push into online gambling from Zynga.