Awkward River Spot

[TastyDiva]

PokerStars Hand #82296151639:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2012/06/22 12:56:29 WET [2012/06/22 7:56:29 ET]
Table 'Menkib III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BB ($81.39 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG ($295.25 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+1 ($103 in chips)
Seat 4: CO ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: BTN ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: SB ($217.38 in chips)

Seat 6: posts small blind $0.50
ISO3452: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SB [ ]
UTG: folds
UTG+1r: folds
COs: raises $1.50 to $2.50
BTN: folds
SB: raises $5.50 to $8
BB: folds
CO: calls $5.50
*** FLOP *** [ ]
SB: checks
CO: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
SB: bets $9
CO: calls $9
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
SB: bets $19
CO: raises $35.71 to $54.71


Villain is 27/23 over 2k hands
6% River raise %.

Thoughts please

[TastyDiva]

My image at the table is quite aggro playing 32/28

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

Is Villain good?

Why have we checked flop?  It makes our decision harder because our hand looks exactly what it is and as though you are going for thin(ish) value, which means we can get bluffed a decent amount.

If he's not very good I would expect to see 66 or 44 a lot.  So I would call if he's good and fold if he's bad.......sometimes!

[Junior Senior]

Fold pre. Fold river

[pleno1]

pre seems fine.

flop we should definitely cbet, people never fold j10x, too many sds etc that continue and I doubt he peels 22-66 pre so we can definitely get value from betting.

think c/call river is best, he will bet flop with a flush draw most of the time, and on the river here he should never have us beat, he does have too many bad hands that dont even count as bluffcatchers so the valuebet seems bad. If we do bet it has to be to induce so if we're betting its to b/call giving flop action.

He probably has 10's 

[TastyDiva]

pre seems fine.

flop we should definitely cbet, people never fold j10x, too many sds etc that continue and I doubt he peels 22-66 pre so we can definitely get value from betting.

think c/call river is best, he will bet flop with a flush draw most of the time, and on the river here he should never have us beat, he does have too many bad hands that dont even count as bluffcatchers so the valuebet seems bad. If we do bet it has to be to induce so if we're betting its to b/call giving flop action.

He probably has 10's 

If he doesn't peel pre with 22-66, then hands we're getting value from on the flop are likely to be hands that have substantial equity vs. our range. We're going to be in pretty bad shape on the flop vs hands that peel. You say my hand is face up. I mean, I pretty much cb every flop in 3b pots so checking here can look pretty scary and probably going to take this line w/JJ/TT/JT. If I cbet this flop and get raised I'm going to be sighing all day long, and I'd rather get two streets.

I believe his hand range is pretty face up. He never has Tx, he rarely has spades given the passive flop play...he can have JJ/TT/66, but I have a blocker to JJ. Yes I'm betting the river for value, but I also had no plans to bet fold this river vs. someone that I had marked as competent. I believe he's going to check back a fairly high % if I check to him. Just thought it was a fairly interesting spot and there were a fair few hands firstly that he could hero with and secondly turn into bluffs.

[TastyDiva]

I do agree with some of the points, I just do not like a Bet check bet line here, nor a bet check c/c line

[kukushkin88]

I do agree with some of the points, I just do not like a Bet check bet line here, nor a bet check c/c line

In this spot its very unlikely pleno is wrong, he´s good at this.

[pleno1]

i didnt advocate a bcb line did i?

[TastyDiva]

No, I was just talking about alternatives

[Young_gun]

I fold pre