ridic spot 270bbs deep 400nl

[pleno1]

Ok Villain is reg fish. He is a huge huge winner over the last 2 months but hes genuinely terrible and just mashes the pot button with no thought about anything, hes made alot of really terrible moves over the last 2 months and he is definitely a spot but just runs good. He wins every flip, every float improves etc.

My image is really really out of line and he probably thinks the ^^ above for me but wont realise I think like that about him DUCY?

We were playing HU and I had 3bet him 9/23 times and stacked him on another table. We are playing 4 tables of turbo tables so lots of action and metagame.

Pre I think is fine but happy to hear otherwise? He wont fold anything "pretty" to me this deep and he loves to 4b bluff, I dont think I'd ever 3b/fold this deep and if I did it would be with like A3o or something.

Post flop he always uses the same sizing no matter how deep we are, he just loves to mash about.

If you want to fold turn whats the best hand we get in?

$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 23, 07:48:45 ET 2012
Table Turbo Flop 20  400 Max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $1557.10 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 23, 3B: 10, AF: 2.6, Hands: 86995
Seat 2: Player2 ( $400.00 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 28, 3B: 11, AF: 2.3, Hands: 1224
Seat 4: Player4 ( $1076.65 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 25, 3B: 8, AF: 4.2, Hands: 3236
Player4 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to Hero [  ]
Player2 folds
Player4 raises [$10.00 USD]
Hero raises [$40.00 USD]
Player4 raises [$88.00 USD]
Hero calls [$56.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Player4 bets [$150.00 USD]
Hero calls [$150.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Player4 bets [$375.00 USD]
Hero

[rfgqqabc]

Would he 4bet queen jack or peel? Queen ten? Have you seem him run multi street bluffs like this? How is he not getting bum hunted? Sure on your reads? I feel like some of your threads are real grey area hands, where neither answer stands out. I think you have to get this in sometimes, but this probably isn't the run out. Gross turn makes it a fold here but aren't many turns bar aces, tens and clubs that are a fold.

P.s 5ball pre for value???

[jgcblack]

as i said in skype message, im going to call call call call call call call call until i win at least one time.

you've said in op you think he's ool, therefore what do we lose to?

  /  /  /  /  and that's about it. 


If he turns up with value then we re-evaluate in the future, but right now, we got  and its a  high board.



But I only just beat 10nl, so who am i to judge?

[stato_1]

as i said in skype message, im going to call call call call call call call call until i win at least one time.

you've said in op you think he's ool, therefore what do we lose to?

  /  /  /  /  and that's about it. 


If he turns up with value then we re-evaluate in the future, but right now, we got  and its a  high board.



But I only just beat 10nl, so who am i to judge?

Its the fact you've misread your hand in a 4bet pot rather than the 10nl bit I'm worried about!

[Patonius2000]

Given description of villain I don't see how we're ever folding this hand. Obviously it sucks because our equity is gross vs his value range but our perceived range is fairly weak/draw heavy so I'd think all of his 4b range 2 barrels this texture.

[rfgqqabc]

Given description of villain I don't see how we're ever folding this hand. Obviously it sucks because our equity is gross vs his value range but our perceived range is fairly weak/draw heavy so I'd think all of his 4b range 2 barrels this texture.

In theory we need to call down X% of the time to mean he can't bluff us profitably. Surely this turn falls into the fold %. I mean, if we call this turn are we ever folding? (obv exaggeration cos  is worse etc etc

Obviously this turn appears ok, as it reduces his flop value combinations by a large % (TT/QT), but if he ever has Tx, its a reasonably poor turn.

[AlexMartin]

think id put in another raise pre some % of the time v him. As played he'd have to be a lunatic to bluff river, doesnt sound like hes bat**** insane plus this is the bottom of our range (if thats applicable to him, doubtful) and he cant percieve many draws in our range.

[pleno1]

hes also not that polarised he would do same ott here with any Q he gets to turn with.

you can see his ag fre is 4.2, in 3bet pots its even higher very rarely gives up.

[Patonius2000]

think id put in another raise pre some % of the time v him. As played he'd have to be a lunatic to bluff river, doesnt sound like hes bat**** insane plus this is the bottom of our range (if thats applicable to him, doubtful) and he cant percieve many draws in our range.

Stuff like 89o is the bottom of our range. We actually have a very strong part of our range because we have a card that matches with the board. Besides Tx this (which should make up a very small % of our range in terms of frequencies and combos) this one of the best made hands we can have.

[SuuPRlim]

seems hard to fathom losing when you started the hand with