Spot vs assumed nit

[tight4better]

50/1 dtd. Think we've played 4 orbits and I've not been called at showdown yet. Villain I could only assume is either uber card dead or is a massive nit, 0 pots played. 20's, chatty.

Dealt  on BTN.

2 limpers to me I make it £6 (Covering table playing £160), Villain and limpers peel.

 

Ck x3 to me, bet £16. Villain peels playing £100 behind

Turn 

As soon as this turn comes massive tell of strength from the guy, almost too obvious. Now donks for £30

You?

[Honeybadger]

What was this 'massive tell of strength'? If you are somehow a ninja-live-tells-soul-reader and can genuinely 100% deduce that you are beaten then fold obviously.

More importantly, don't play the 0.50/1 game at DTD. Phil Ivey on his A-game could not beat this game due to the ridiculous rake.

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

Call turn, reevaluate river for me. (with no reads)  If he bets river really big then fold, if he bets small then happily flick it in, he can value bet worse when he bets on the smaller side, but when he bets big he's flopped a flush a lot or turned top 2. 

However if your read is that he is super strong then just fold, no need to ask imo, we don't have nut redraws either.

[rbc_mike]

He's probs got Ahx and thinks that the nut card. call and reevaluate river.

And yeh play the 50/1 at Gala, it is an incredible game, although the risk of being stabbed is unfortunately a lot higher than at DTD!

[Bully87]

Hi der  /

[rbc_mike]

Thoughts on checking back flop btw? Seems hard to get value from too many worse hands when we bet, and even if we hit the ace like above, can't really bet bet shove too often.  Also, I'd cbet smaller, like 13. 16 is a bit bloating for me. Obvs make it bigger with made hands, ridic exploitable I know, but you're not gonna get exploited in these games.

[tight4better]

And yeh play the 50/1 at Gala, it is an incredible game, although the risk of being stabbed is unfortunately a lot higher than at DTD!

I'd love to, main problem is I'm 30 miles away and I'd hate to travel to find no game running, at least with dtd they tell you when a cash game is running. Also I like all my innards not splattered all over nottingham because I two-outered some guy

Thoughts on checking back flop btw? Seems hard to get value from too many worse hands when we bet, and even if we hit the ace like above, can't really bet bet shove too often.  Also, I'd cbet smaller, like 13. 16 is a bit bloating for me. Obvs make it bigger with made hands, ridic exploitable I know, but you're not gonna get exploited in these games.

100% agree with this tbh, personally I think it's a bad c-bet on my part but I'd hate c/f this on a blank turn to a £20 bet. 4 way to this flop is ridic gross even on the btn.

What was this 'massive tell of strength'? If you are somehow a ninja-live-tells-soul-reader and can genuinely 100% deduce that you are beaten then fold obviously.

I'm not a Simon Deadman by any means but someone having the resting heart rate of a serial killer who's just spotted a sale on at Millets tends to attract my attention. Other things too.

Tbh, it's probably a slightly useless post as I'm happy with the outcome.

[Yian]

I prefer checking back with the  but bet out if it was the  . Then flatting turn and most rivers seems ok. What did he have?

[tight4better]

I prefer checking back with the  but bet out if it was the  . Then flatting turn

Reaction to c/r on turn if we bet?

What did he have?

Didn't see, looked disgusted when I accidentally flipped my hand over when I folded

[Yian]

I prefer checking back with the  but bet out if it was the  . Then flatting turn

Reaction to c/r on turn if we bet?

What did he have?

Didn't see, looked disgusted when I accidentally flipped my hand over when I folded

Oh, you folded? I thought you went with it and won. Well if he check/raises, it shows more strength, so then we got some thinking to do and its pretty player dependant. But being as he led into you anyway, i think i'd just opt to call given the opportunity to control the size of the pot and get to showdown. But I tend to get to showdown a bit much by playing pots in position and trying to control how much money goes in based on my hand vs what i think my opponent has. If you have a strong read or inclination that you're behind and you are behind and you just let it go earlier, i suppose you'll lose less money than me in that spot.

[Rickie Belfield]

Pre-flop: I would have considered betting a little more, especially at these limits live as so many players limp/call with suited connectors, weak aces and other average hands.

Flop: In a 4way pot I definitely prefer checking here as we're not often getting called by many worse hands. It's possible for him to check-call with a flush in this spot a lot of the time too. Thinking about it, what would you do against a raise?

Turn: As played, I'd call and reevaluate on the river. He's always going to be betting . If he has AT, A5 or A2 containing the then it sucks to be you. The thing is, if he's a nit then I doubt he's playing A5 or A2 offsuit so those two can be excluded from his range most of the time.

River: What river cards would you be calling and folding to?

[SuuPRlim]

bet/fold flop

bet/fold turn

would prefer checking the back otf over the

[rfgqqabc]

Got to fold to the donk, can't think of anything we beat

[Derbylad]

What position was the Villain in this hand, first to act on the flop?
If it was who i'm assuming it would have been, seat 3?? 20's long hair? He tends to be as solid as a rock, decent thinking player though, he'd already done his exit in the £100 so likely to be grinding back his buy in.
I can't really see the air here and your likely to have terrible reverse implied odds, Sigh fold.

[BorntoBubble]

fold and wait for him to show you