Olympics - Athletics

[MANTIS01]

Has it been demonstrated how much taking drugs can add to your performance?

Ben Johnson would still have been bloody fast without drugs I assume.

Totally clean Chambers' PB was 9.97. After one year of taking drugs and training hard at age 25 his PB was 9.87. Training hard in that year without the drugs he prob gets close to that time anyways.

[kinboshi]

Has it been demonstrated how much taking drugs can add to your performance?

Ben Johnson would still have been bloody fast without drugs I assume.

Totally clean Chambers' PB was 9.97. After one year of taking drugs and training hard at age 25 his PB was 9.87. Training hard in that year without the drugs he prob gets close to that time anyways.

Agreed, he might well have managed that pb as a clean athlete. Unfortunately, we'll never know.

[Woodsey]

I was referring to your earlier post where you said you were suspicious of Jamaica's success in sprinting.

 

I'm less inclined to doubt Bolt because of his unique physique, but when one country, and a small relatively poor one at that, produces a treadmill of world class sprinters I do start to get slightly suspicious. 

Well I am. But I doubt you find it surprising that a training group in Jamaica is made up of mostly Jamaicans   

[MintTrav]

7 of the 8 fastest 100m runners in history are currently active. 1 of the 7 is currently serving a drugs ban and will miss the Games. Another has just come back from his ban. Do we really think all the others are clean? They are all at it. It is a case of accepting that or finding another sport to follow.

[Woodsey]

7 of the 8 fastest 100m runners in history are currently active. 1 of the 7 is currently serving a drugs ban and will miss the Games. Another has just come back from his ban. Do we really think all the others are clean? They are all at it. It is a case of accepting that or finding another sport to follow.

My view is that there is a reasonable chance some of them are. I don't share this blind faith that some seem to have that they are clean.

[redarmi]

7 of the 8 fastest 100m runners in history are currently active. 1 of the 7 is currently serving a drugs ban and will miss the Games. Another has just come back from his ban. Do we really think all the others are clean? They are all at it. It is a case of accepting that or finding another sport to follow.

My view is that there is a reasonable chance some of them are. I don't share this blind faith that some seem to have that they are clean.

Although I have argued the other side to a degree here I think this is probably the right view.  The idea that they are all clean is probably a bit over optimistic but I think if they were the geographical range of the best competitors would be the same if that makes sense.  I don't think, for example, that the Japanese lad would all of a sudden become a world beater.

[kinboshi]

It wouldn't surprise me if China produced some top class sprinters in the near future. They have enough people to select from and with state backing a focus in that area could produce world class sprinters. They already have one of the best 110m hurdlers.

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

[seven2unsuited]

Question:  Which athletic events do the women have a better world record than the men's record?  There's one I know of...

[redarmi]

Archery is the only Olympic sport I know of.

[Woodsey]

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time.  

[MANTIS01]

The pharmacologists stay ahead of the testers by inventing new steroids not on the banned list. So an athlete returning a negative test doesn't prove they are clean. The officials can only test for what they know about. So even a decade ago many athletes including Chambers were taking this newly created designer THG steroid which simply couldn't be detected. It wasn't on the banned list because nobody knew about it. Chambers tested negative every time during his spell taking the steroid. It was only when a disgruntled party sent a sample to the authorities did they find out about it and could actually test for it. Who knows what's out there in 2012.

[kinboshi]

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time. 

Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying.

[Woodsey]

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time. 

Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying.

I think they may well be, but cba arguing about it.

[kinboshi]

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time. 

Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying.

I think they may well be, but cba arguing about it.

Based on nothing other than they're successful and from Jamaica?

[ACE2M]

As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.

Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time. 

Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying.

I think they may well be, but cba arguing about it.

Based on nothing other than they're successful and from Jamaica?

Simple logic must tell you they are dirty. Sad state of affairs.