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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2012, 04:05:15 PM » |
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There was a Bax/Belowabove/scott montgomary hand on a 7474x board where bax folds 44 below has 77 and scott montgomary gets the lot in with AA on the river.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2012, 04:08:37 PM » |
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There was a Bax/Belowabove/scott montgomary hand on a 7474x board where bax folds 44 below has 77 and scott montgomary gets the lot in with AA on the river.
Collusion ftw I did think that at the time! |
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2012, 05:08:39 PM » |
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This thread reads like utter tosh to me! Can someone explain to me why he cant have 77 JJ   Thanks |
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2012, 05:11:02 PM » |
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2012, 05:14:06 PM » |
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This thread reads like utter tosh to me! Can someone explain to me why he cant have 77 JJ Thanks Can def have 77 JJ Not so much aqss as he is turnIng his hand into a bluff, I think the point of the discussion is that it's not horrific but I haven't heard any pros saying they would fold, just that given his range that's it's not "Annie duke" awful |
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2012, 05:23:03 PM » |
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This thread reads like utter tosh to me! Can someone explain to me why he cant have 77 JJ Thanks Can def have 77 JJ Not so much aqss as he is turnIng his hand into a bluff, I think the point of the discussion is that it's not horrific but I haven't heard any pros saying they would fold, just that given his range that's it's not "Annie duke" awful he can have JJ but I dont think he can have 77 |
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2012, 05:40:16 PM » |
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Probably raises flop with jj as such a wet board and had previously 3bet a lot so vs dwan I
On the button he's more likely to 3bet jj a definitely kk. On the turn with kk he would usually at least deliberate.
77 obv he never shoves this Otr. Same for aqss
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2012, 05:51:23 PM » |
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Pretty specific reads knowing nothing about this guy and having never played with him.
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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2012, 06:38:54 PM » |
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Never folding here... No way
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2012, 07:07:05 PM » |
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Never folding here... No way
not meaning to be offensive but this view is shared by a lot of people and I think they're missing a trick. Yes poker is a math game but we all know that if you play GTO then you can't be exploited but you can never win a lot either, this situation is the kind of decision that seperates the good and the great. Even Galfond, who is an uber-genius said that he might not fold but that he still expects to see more than half the time.......... |
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2012, 07:27:18 PM » |
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Villain is a businessman right ? If so I would include 77 in his range.
I'm not folding but don't think it's terrible.
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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2012, 07:42:09 PM » |
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Its a spot that's close because we're dealing with 0% bluffs and an extremely thin value range - made even thiner by the fact that loads of the combo's are blocked by the board/our hand.
I agree he will not show you 77 here, if he is going to slowplay 77 on J87ss flop he isn't going to jam the river with it.
If our hero cant give him KK/NF/77 and thinks JJ is super likely to raise the flop then he's prolly somewhere near the money folding, speashly in an event this big where people are going to be a lot nittier with their tournament life due to the hype/the size of the buyin. Me personally, seems like an extremely difficult fold to make considering that you're vs a sposed weaker player and you can never discount for the spazz/random nonsense factor in live tournaments regardless of the buyin.
Hellmuth's AQ hand is ridic and had he had a stronger table with people like Rast/Dwan on it straight after he'd have been severely punished by them for outwardly admitting he is refusing to play big pots or call big pots without the solid nuts.
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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2012, 07:47:27 PM » |
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Never folding here... No way
not meaning to be offensive but this view is shared by a lot of people and I think they're missing a trick. Yes poker is a math game but we all know that if you play GTO then you can't be exploited but you can never win a lot either, this situation is the kind of decision that seperates the good and the great. Even Galfond, who is an uber-genius said that he might not fold but that he still expects to see more than half the time.......... He can have JJ here too often, slim chance KK and poss be a value shove with NF. In this specific spot no way I fold. However i totally understand his logic for doing so. |
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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2012, 07:53:21 PM » |
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Never folding here... No way
not meaning to be offensive but this view is shared by a lot of people and I think they're missing a trick. Yes poker is a math game but we all know that if you play GTO then you can't be exploited but you can never win a lot either, this situation is the kind of decision that seperates the good and the great. Even Galfond, who is an uber-genius said that he might not fold but that he still expects to see more than half the time.......... He can have JJ here too often, slim chance KK and poss be a value shove with NF. In this specific spot no way I fold. However i totally understand his logic for doing so. He doesnt have the nut flush |
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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2012, 08:02:36 PM » |
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Never folding here... No way
not meaning to be offensive but this view is shared by a lot of people and I think they're missing a trick. Yes poker is a math game but we all know that if you play GTO then you can't be exploited but you can never win a lot either, this situation is the kind of decision that seperates the good and the great. Even Galfond, who is an uber-genius said that he might not fold but that he still expects to see more than half He can have JJ here too often, slim chance KK and poss be a value shove with NF. In this specific spot no way I fold. However i totally understand his logic for doing so. He doesnt have the nut flush Who called the police!!?? |
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