Where is the line on using the rules?

[jgcblack]

I had written a long post thingy but its been changed to this...



When is using the rules to get yourself a pot, when is that going too far?

[rfgqqabc]

For example, if someone said "I think I've got to call" and turned their hand over, you can ask for a ruling if you so choose, as it may be against the rules and if it is the floor should make a ruling.

If someone said "I have to call" and turned over their hand, it is a call, whether you have air or the nuts. You shouldn't not call for a ruling when you have the nuts, and call for a ruling when you have air. This is abusing the rules to gain a personal advantage.

Wanted to add my 2cents early to see what people say after all the random live rulings we spoke about today. Probably need a longer post although we know how difficult it is to explain without weighting the question.

[Jon MW]

If it isn't 'fair' that you should win the pot - that's too far

[dik9]

If it isn't 'fair' that you should win the pot - that's too far

Absolutely 100% ^^^^^^^^ this

[jgcblack]

This is one type of example we talked about...

What I'm asking is what have you seen or done yourselves? where is YOUR line?

WHAT is too far, and WHY???



Rules is rules, if someone makes a mistake, shouldn't they lose out???

[RioRodent]

This is one type of example we talked about...

What I'm asking is what have you seen or done yourselves? where is YOUR line?

WHAT is too far, and WHY???



Rules is rules, if someone makes a mistake, shouldn't they lose out???

No, the [majority of] rules are there to prevent angle shooting, collusion, cheating etc... they are not there to be used as a stick to beat those that are ignorant of them and/or have simply made a mistake.

[CHIPPYMAN]

This is one type of example we talked about...

What I'm asking is what have you seen or done yourselves? where is YOUR line?

WHAT is too far, and WHY???



Rules is rules, if someone makes a mistake, shouldn't they lose out???

Go write a book about poker and I think u will sell a few.

[david3103]

I'd say we should apply the rules to ensure a fair outcome, not USE the rules to gain an unfair advantage.

Crying 'string bet' to avoid having to call more to see the next card or cards for instance.

[MTT DESTROYER]

At DTD, cash game, i bluffed the river on an ace high board and got called.  The guy declared he had an ace so I mucked and he then turned over some junk I would've beat.

Cheating?  Breaking the rules?  Fair game?  My own fault?

[pleno1]

John for your own reputation I would prob ask mods to delete this thread as I'm sure ppl will think vvv differently of you if you state some of the things you had previously done and things like this spiral out of control and only ends in tears.

[Junior Senior]

At DTD, cash game, i bluffed the river on an ace high board and got called.  The guy declared he had an ace so I mucked and he then turned over some junk I would've beat.

Cheating?  Breaking the rules?  Fair game?  My own fault?

See him in the car park later

[MTT DESTROYER]

John for your own reputation I would prob ask mods to delete this thread as I'm sure ppl will think vvv differently of you if you state some of the things you had previously done and things like this spiral out of control and only ends in tears.

Start the spiral!

[doubleup]

At DTD, cash game, i bluffed the river on an ace high board and got called.  The guy declared he had an ace so I mucked and he then turned over some junk I would've beat.

Cheating?  Breaking the rules?  Fair game?  My own fault?

A properly run game would give him the choice of taking the pot and being banned for life as a cheat or conceding it to you.

[SuuPRlim]

At DTD, cash game, i bluffed the river on an ace high board and got called.  The guy declared he had an ace so I mucked and he then turned over some junk I would've beat.

Cheating?  Breaking the rules?  Fair game?  My own fault?

A properly run game would give him the choice of taking the pot and being banned for life as a cheat or conceding it to you.

well it's proper fucking grimy but if you never muck your hand till you know you're beaten this will never happen to you

I played vs a very well known player in vegas he bet the river all in and the guy goes, well I think I'm going to call you at which point he says "Striaght" and goes to turn his hand over - the other player says "whaow i never called yet" the guy calls the floor and makes a huge fuss saying that the player had said call and insisting that it was to be ruled a call. After 3-4 minutes the floor ruled it was not a call and the player folded his hand, only to be shown something resembling 9 high.

I think you go with the philosophy of just not being a dick and let that rule you over what the "rules" are.

[smashedagain]

You have got some instances where you have angled someone aint you John. Let's hear some of em.