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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 07:15:32 AM » |
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I'd say we should apply the rules to ensure a fair outcome, not USE the rules to gain an unfair advantage.
Crying 'string bet' to avoid having to call more to see the next card or cards for instance.
Surely this depends on the situation though. I was once in a live game where somebody had some chips in their hands dropped some of them in and when another player went to call dropped more in. I would have called for a ruling here myself. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2012, 07:27:34 AM » |
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John for your own reputation I would prob ask mods to delete this thread as I'm sure ppl will think vvv differently of you if you state some of the things you had previously done and things like this spiral out of control and only ends in tears.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2012, 09:01:01 AM » |
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I'd say we should apply the rules to ensure a fair outcome, not USE the rules to gain an unfair advantage.
Crying 'string bet' to avoid having to call more to see the next card or cards for instance.
Surely this depends on the situation though. I was once in a live game where somebody had some chips in their hands dropped some of them in and when another player went to call dropped more in. I would have called for a ruling here myself. If the person was string betting as an angle shoot - that does seem fair enough |
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2012, 09:23:17 AM » |
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I'd say we should apply the rules to ensure a fair outcome, not USE the rules to gain an unfair advantage.
Crying 'string bet' to avoid having to call more to see the next card or cards for instance.
Surely this depends on the situation though. I was once in a live game where somebody had some chips in their hands dropped some of them in and when another player went to call dropped more in. I would have called for a ruling here myself. If the person was string betting as an angle shoot - that does seem fair enough Of course it depends on the situation. But we've all seen the angle-shooters cry striing bet when someone drops one chip a nano-second before the rest. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2012, 05:59:56 PM » |
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im sorry but am i missing something here? abc poker. Never muck your hand till you see what the other person has. And never declare what you have until you see those chips cross the line. Sorry if it sounds harsh but its not rocket science in those situations
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2012, 08:45:44 PM » |
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im sorry but am i missing something here? abc poker. Never muck your hand till you see what the other person has. And never declare what you have until you see those chips cross the line. Sorry if it sounds harsh but its not rocket science in those situations
yh +1 Also the example someone gave of string betting is clearly an angle btw. If you call string betting when obv not a string bet just so you can call for cheaper, this is not even remotely anything but 100% cheating. The string bet rule is the worst rule in poker, but i've prolly ranted about this 45 times in the past. If you use the rules to get an unfair advantage you are cheating /thread. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 12:22:23 AM » |
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Apologies if this is seen as slightly derailing the thread but its related.
How willing are you to get involved if you see some angle shooting in hands you're not involved in?
The hand that made me ask this question was from quite a while ago in a 1/1PLH game in stoke. Heads up to the river, (Player A) young guy, obviously pretty inexperienced and not in a position to understand when he's being angled or sure enough of rules to question them bets £18ish on the river. (Player B) Well known regular in the games, plays a bunch both at stoke and other places, knows the rules, knows the dealers and the managers has £22 left in the form of 2 £10 notes and £1 chips. Player B pushes out the 2 £10 notes so that they're halfway across the line with his hand on them. Player A declares 2 pair, Player B says he hasn't called yet and pulls the notes back. The dealer (who probably doesn't know or care enough) just goes along with Player B without questioning it and Player B folds. Player A doesn't question it and ask for a ruling because he's too naive and inexperienced to realise whats just happened. In my opinion, Player B clearly should have been forced to call on the river and I think there is good chance that had someone requested a ruling it would have been ruled a call.
In my mind there is no doubt that Player B new exactly what he was doing and knows the dealers are unlikely to argue with him over this stuff unless forced to question it by other players and that a very inexperienced player isn't going to make a fuss and ask for a ruling as he doesn't understand his rights. In this situation when you're at the table but nothing to do with the hand, do you get involved and try to protect the inexperienced player and call out the blatant angle shooting or do you always stay out of any hand that you're not involved in regardless of scummy antics?
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 12:34:34 AM » |
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stay out of it at the time but have a quiet word to the guy about protecting his hand / not doing whatever it was that enabled him to be angled.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 11:54:37 AM » |
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stay out of it at the time but have a quiet word to the guy about protecting his hand / not doing whatever it was that enabled him to be angled.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 12:15:50 PM » |
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stay out of it at the time but have a quiet word to the guy about protecting his hand / not doing whatever it was that enabled him to be angled.
^^^this. unless of course you feel you can tilt player B and win some money from him in the process He sounds like an utter bell end for £18 |
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2012, 04:10:31 PM » |
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Think Im pretty happy to call him out as an arse in front of the whole table in this situation
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2012, 04:48:37 PM » |
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Think Im pretty happy to call him out as an arse in front of the whole table in this situation
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 06:32:27 PM » |
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Think Im pretty happy to call him out as an arse in front of the whole table in this situation
For sure. Chances are he is a total bellend so deserves a call out. Hate angle shooters |
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 09:33:37 PM » |
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Think Im pretty happy to call him out as an arse in front of the whole table in this situation
For sure. Chances are he is a total bellend so deserves a call out. Hate angle shooters Yep +1. Sepshly with someone inexperienced, if it was someone very experienced or a pro I'd be less inclined to call out on thier behalf as the "victim" should be more than capable. I've actually had to do this not too recently and I nearrly started a brawl lol |
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