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« on: July 05, 2012, 07:51:44 PM »

Event #59, $1k buy-in, field is extremely weak, to be frank, the standard resembles a £50 freezeout. You start with 3k chips and every chip is very valuable to me and I don't want to be calling off in marginal spots, defo in the camp of passing on a slightly +cEV spot in favour of waiting for easier spots.

Hand 1. 100/200 no ante. We have 7k so 35bbs. Utg limps. Utg+1 limps. We are utg+2 with and raise to 850.  Utg calls, Utg+1 raises to 3300 covering us both and committed to calling shoves from either.

Reads: Chinese, in his 40s, big stack. Nothing out of line in first few hands. People in Vegas generally love to limp/raise Aces and Kings. As in, it's never anything else. However, he has overlimped, though I have seen people overlimp/raise with Aces here too. He's not American though, so maybe he's not in the limp/raise aces school, perhaps he's doing this with AK or 88-TT. I thought Aces though.

Hand 2. 150/300/25. Utg was just utg+1 and shoved 3k and got it through. He is young and been fairly actively shoving in his short stack. Now he minraises. He started this hand with about 3500 so almost 12bigs. Decent/aware playing in MP 3bets to 1500. Both moves are ridiculously strong and and I found Queens with 8k on the button and snap folded. I wouldn't fold Kings though, but not loving it.

Hand 3. 200/400/50. Old guy playing 3700 raises the hijack to 900. The small blind shoves 7000. I have 11000 in the big blind with . Old guy didn't look super strong to me, even though his actions are that of a big hand. Other guy can have AT, AJ, KQ I suppose but I'm not sure on his range, and I'm not sure on my read of the old guy. I'm happy getting it in vs either one of them if heads up, but I since I have to worry about both and those 7000 chips I'm calling off are so valuable and a big % of my stack I decided to fold.

Thoughts on all 3 folds?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 07:54:30 PM »

1. fold
2. all in
3. fold

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 08:00:43 PM »

1. Call. Over limping with aces very rare imo. Very good chance of a medium pair or AK here.
2. All in. This one is easiest imo.
3. Fold
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 08:04:51 PM »

1. Soul read here, whatever you did in the moment is correct
2. Jam, we have the 3rd best hand, and not many chips. I know what your saying but really?
3. Its prob +cEv, if you want to take it, take it.

Big fan of live reads and feel especially if your playing well, so just back yourself.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2012, 08:13:20 PM »

1. Fold
2. Puke, feel like folding can't be too big a mistake tho. Don't fold KK
3. Happy reshoving this
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 08:31:42 PM »

1. I really don't know, I probably get it in tho
2. Folding seems fine
3. Getting it in
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 09:11:25 PM »

Only have an opinion on 2) which is jam, I think you'll see AK/JJ/TT etc a lot here
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »

1. Fold
2. All in
3. Call

In hand 2, i'm thinking that the min raiser wants to be perceived as strong, but that he actually isn't. The 3 bettor may well think this too. You could actually be up against 2 ace highs. Either way, i would be more worried about the 3 bettor as i would expect the initial raiser to jam his entire range here. Queens is too good to pass for me here.

In hand 3, this spot is a great spot for the small blind to be shoving with a very wide range, including much weaker aces than yours. For this reason, with your hand, i call.

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 10:33:55 PM »

Hand 1, Fold
Hand 2, 4bet call, sometimes just call and hope utg shoves then call the reshove.  Don't we think the 3bettor can have 99-JJ AQ+ loads?  Don't think folding is bad though its all close
Hand 3, Reshove
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 11:07:21 PM »

2 I think is the easiest fold of the lot and I didn't even think to bring it up itt until just before I posted it.

Maybe it was just a live read / you had to be there moment but I just knew QQ was no good there.

I think the AQ fold was a mistake and the JJ fold is good but not sure on that one.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 11:39:29 PM »

1. Call. Over limping with aces very rare imo. Very good chance of a medium pair or AK here.
2. All in. This one is easiest imo.
3. Fold

Polar opposite of this for me lol!

Though I agree 2 is the easiest....fold....
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 11:46:51 PM »

I'm happy folding hand 1 wouldn't blame you for getting it in though.

Hand 2 is gross, if its gone jam/jam would be merrily getitng QQ, as played it sucks but I do think the 3better can be doing this with some of the weaker hands but if he's competant which you think he is he'll prolly be stronger than usual because of the min instead of the jam from the 12bb stack

defo going with hand three, think it's a great spot 2 open(ish) ranges and some overlay+a big suited ACE
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2012, 12:03:18 AM »

They do love a limp-reraise, i think hand 1 is a definite fold. They just have it like >95% of the time here.

2 i'd fold as well as described. If everybody is really that bad and this kid is good enough to realise he doesn't need to balance then i can't see us ever loving it after the reraise from another competent player.

Hand 3 yeah get it in.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2012, 12:47:51 AM »

Kinda relevant what mid pos stack is for hand 2 but sounds pretty gross.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2012, 04:28:22 AM »

Id get hand 1 in, fold hand 2 based on sizing and reads.  from the sound of the HH I fold hand 3 but with live read I dont think getting it in can be bad
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