another bubble hand

[Ironside]

villian has been in every pot since i have been on table 10-15 minutes and his stack has yoyo'ed from 150k to 60k
he hasnt really shown anything down most of the pot have been won and lost before showdown
average stack is close to 60k and 108 get paid with 113 left

do i close down on turn and wait for him to shove and then fold or is it a simple shove

PokerStars Hand #83190564632: Tournament #582828026, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (1000/2000) - 2012/07/12 0:52:54 WET [2012/07/11 19:52:54 ET]
Table '582828026 43' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: zazlm (23595 in chips)
Seat 2: bleck_jeck21 (90652 in chips)
Seat 3: BLU3_F1R3 (56384 in chips)
Seat 4: 3/lOu PEKC (48042 in chips)
Seat 5: T1GER (60561 in chips)
Seat 6: fill_zed (156972 in chips)
Seat 7: gely969 (227141 in chips)
Seat 8: svetlio84 (32348 in chips)
Seat 9: Ironside (40304 in chips)
zazlm: posts the ante 250
bleck_jeck21: posts the ante 250
BLU3_F1R3: posts the ante 250
3/lOu PEKC: posts the ante 250
T1GER: posts the ante 250
fill_zed: posts the ante 250
gely969: posts the ante 250
svetlio84: posts the ante 250
Ironside: posts the ante 250
fill_zed: posts small blind 1000
gely969: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
svetlio84: folds
Ironside: raises 2000 to 4000
zazlm: folds
bleck_jeck21: calls 4000
BLU3_F1R3: folds
3/lOu PEKC: folds
T1GER: calls 4000
fill_zed: folds
gely969: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 8000
bleck_jeck21: calls 8000
T1GER: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 28054 and is all-in

[GreekStein]

think you did fine

[pleno1]

Check call. He isn't calling worse here on the bubble.

[the rage]

I think that with your stack size, and at this point in the tournament, you dont really want to be playing any hands that you are not prepared to go all the way with pre-flop. I think that you should just FOLD pre flop.
As played, i would go for a check-raise all-in on the flop.
 Having said that, one of my biggest problems / leaks seems to be over playing flush draws, so i would be interested to hear what others think of my suggestion.
I do think that the flop is good enogh to be wanting to get them all in with, and, even though you are on the bubble, you really want to be shooting for where the big money is, ie-top 5 at least.

[Ironside]

i bricked he woke up with bottom set once past the bubble 2 more hands there would of been plenty of easier spots should of just folded pre IMHO

[jackinbeat]

Why play this hand/ Just fold pre, imho.

[pleno1]

raise pre is fine.

[jackinbeat]

raise pre is fine.

Isn't it a case we have nothing to gain (we're 5 off a ticket), and everything to lose by playing this hand UTG+1?

[pleno1]

if its a satalite then fold obv, but we play to win baby

[jackinbeat]

if its a satalite then fold obv, but we play to win baby

My answer was def for a Sat, thought that's what we were discussing anyhow?

[Ironside]

if its a satalite then fold obv, but we play to win baby

My answer was def for a Sat, thought that's what we were discussing anyhow?

no it was a 5 with 2r 1 a 25$ for 108th much more for first