sunday storm MM edition

[Ironside]

wasi right closing down on turn and trying to get to show down cheap
not been at table more than 10 minutes

straight 2 pair and sets has to be in his range but i cant fold the ladies to the turn bet can i?



PokerStars Hand #83364470001: Tournament #2012070032, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (40/80) - 2012/07/15 19:10:37 WET [2012/07/15 14:10:37 ET]
Table '2012070032 74' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Ironside (5810 in chips)
Seat 2: ThatAxEugene (4820 in chips)
Seat 3: _pippzor_ (7782 in chips)
Seat 4: zigiscrew (3002 in chips)
Seat 5: crippo (5600 in chips)
Seat 6: escalamita (14772 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerQQQueen (2932 in chips)
Seat 8: Palmero92 (6266 in chips)
Seat 9: Glider1 (3830 in chips)
Palmero92: posts small blind 40
Glider1: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
Ironside: raises 160 to 240
ThatAxEugene: folds
_pippzor_: calls 240
zigiscrew: folds
crippo: folds
escalamita: folds
PokerQQQueen is disconnected
PokerQQQueen is connected
PokerQQQueen: folds
Palmero92: folds
Glider1: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Glider1: checks
Ironside: bets 560
_pippzor_: calls 560
Glider1: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
_pippzor_: bets 640
Ironside: calls 640
*** RIVER *** [ ] [As]
Ironside: checks
_pippzor_: checks

[MC]

Looks good to me

[Ironside]

Looks good to me

i can only be beating jacks tens nines and eights right?

[prettygreen]

wasi right closing down on turn and trying to get to show down cheap
not been at table more than 10 minutes

straight 2 pair and sets has to be in his range but i cant fold the ladies to the turn bet can i?



PokerStars Hand #83364470001: Tournament #2012070032, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (40/80) - 2012/07/15 19:10:37 WET [2012/07/15 14:10:37 ET]
Table '2012070032 74' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Ironside (5810 in chips)
Seat 2: ThatAxEugene (4820 in chips)
Seat 3: _pippzor_ (7782 in chips)
Seat 4: zigiscrew (3002 in chips)
Seat 5: crippo (5600 in chips)
Seat 6: escalamita (14772 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerQQQueen (2932 in chips)
Seat 8: Palmero92 (6266 in chips)
Seat 9: Glider1 (3830 in chips)
Palmero92: posts small blind 40
Glider1: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
Ironside: raises 160 to 240
ThatAxEugene: folds
_pippzor_: calls 240
zigiscrew: folds
crippo: folds
escalamita: folds
PokerQQQueen is disconnected
PokerQQQueen is connected
PokerQQQueen: folds
Palmero92: folds
Glider1: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Glider1: checks
Ironside: bets 560
_pippzor_: calls 560
Glider1: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: checks
_pippzor_: bets 640
Ironside: calls 640
*** RIVER *** [ ] [As]
Ironside: checks
_pippzor_: checks

prefer betting turn or c/f turn than c/c. If i c/c turn here i think i block bet the riv like 440.

[Ironside]

i dont like block betting here as ax hands that hit a pair on flop will shove on me too often and its not like i will get a call from anything i beat
turn is horrid and again once i have shown weakness in just checking i have to expect someone with 88 99 tt and jj to bet
but calling and keeping the pot under control and asses the river

[prettygreen]

i dont like block betting here as ax hands that hit a pair on flop will shove on me too often and its not like i will get a call from anything i beat
turn is horrid and again once i have shown weakness in just checking i have to expect someone with 88 99 tt and jj to bet
but calling and keeping the pot under control and asses the river

You can pretty much assess the hand by betting turn. There is a 2% chance somebody will value shove an ace on the river in an $11 comp. Block bet gets you some value off your perceived opponents range of 88-JJ and stops any tricky decisions should you check and they bet big (FWIW i c/f to a bet here on the river 100000% of the time).

Good rule to have in low stake comps with overpairs is just bet bet bet until shown resistance. Think somebody said it recently, they just have it too much if they are raising turns when u have an overpair.

In this comp too GL

[MC]

Looks good to me

i can only be beating jacks tens nines and eights right?

I'm not sure what you mean.

By checking turn we automatically have to call as we beat all his bluffs and some hands he's stabbing with.

On the river we are still beating all of those hands that don't include an Ace, and I doubt he bets the hands you list so they aren't a problem.

prettygreen's way of playing the hand definitely has merit, both in betting the turn or as played block betting the river as you're so unlikely to be getting exploited and fish do love to call with weak showdown hands.

[muckthenuts]

Def don't like check/calling turn here, bet/fold is way better to get value from worse one pair hands and helping us not get into any tough spots without the intiative. If you do choose to check turn it should be to fold really.

[MC]

Def don't like check/calling turn here, bet/fold is way better to get value from worse one pair hands and helping us not get into any tough spots without the intiative. If you do choose to check turn it should be to fold really.

Check/folding turn would be really bad.

If he min-raises us on the turn it's a tough spot. Well, it's an easy fold but seems pretty exploitable. Still agree it could be a better option, but it's not 100% cut and dry imo.

[DMorgan]

I think your flop betsize is a bit big. You don't really give people a chance to call with worse when you 3x UTG then hammer this flop. You're just kinda telegraphing JJ+. Give 'em a chance to put you on AK/AQ and hero down with 99/TT

6x makes up such a small portion of his range (probably 66 only but if he can have stuff like 67s then he can also have a ton of pair+gutter type hands that we can get value from) that I think we should bet again. You pretty much never have 6x here but we don't want to spook the guy by bombing the turn so I think you should bet pretty much exactly the size that he did.

I think you have to bet the river too. Given his range the ace is basically a blank. It might make him more likely to fold his 99/TT giving you credit for AK but I think thats kinda unlikely given your turn betsize. I'd bet pretty small again, somewhere around 25-30% of pot and hope that he flicks it in. I don't think that we're ever beat here so you gotta bet. Even if he only calls once in a million it still makes betting better than checking.

[judgedredd13]

main problem with check calling turn imo is your hand looks like what it is. Like i think you kinda rep the hand you have and not much else. Can exploit the fact this to your advantage too imo. If hes a reg hesprobably putting you on decent overpairs and is probably going to play the river perfect vs you almost all the time by only betting when he has you beat and always checking back worse. So if I check call turn I am either block betting river or check folding river. I think bet folding turn is an option but check calling is ok too as we can get bluffed here sometimes and I rather pot control more in spots where im oop and don't know where I'm at. Good thing about check calling is most the hands he has that we beat i.e 88 99 10 10 etc don't have many outs against us so giving him free cards isn't a huge problem.

[Ironside]

I didn't feel confident in hand enough to bet but he turned up with tt so I think I lost some value thanks for the replies