Grand Prix Hand...anyone NOT call here?

[Junior Senior]

Basic check in here' comments welcomed on bet sizing but mainly interested if we all call here.

Grand Prix last night, level 11 so 800-1600, ante 200. Average is about 56k, i have about 75k. I have been reasonably active opening a fair amount when folded round but have had to raise fold a few times in the last two levels so i am getting pissed off!

I raise from mid position with  to 3600, the button calls (not unusual), he has also 3 bet 3 times in positon so far and the BB comes along for the ride.  BB has been quiet but has reraised pre once in positon and has shown mainly solid hands, if over valuing a little bit. Not convinced he knows what he is doing, has his golden chip on the table and seems a little nervous, he has also open limped a lot.

Flop is 

BB checks, i bet 6800

Button folds

BB says "i"ll go all in"

Its 40k total so 33200 to call and there is ~ 60k now in the middle.

I pretty much snapped thinking he had AQ QK AJc or another cc combo or maybe KJ

He turned over  and held.

Thoughts?

[jgcblack]

Im going to posit a probably unpopular view here and say "no, not always."

Reasons for calling here are going to hinge completely on the villain and previous hand histories.  In my experience of grand prix players/ <£300 fo live players is that with the hands you said he would have that often they will just call here to tarp us.  I think the average live players range in this spot, esp someone 'snug' as you described will always be beating tptk (your hand is this here) or will have a lot of equity vs it.

I've found I can fold these kind of spots and get them to call off worse pre or call down worse more often and as such might lean to a fold in this exact spot.

Ul tho, run better imo.

[smashedagain]

 

[pleno1]

it just seems an easy pokerstove question where we can put a realistic amount of flush draw combos in and I guarantee it will always be a call.

insane hedges etc dont come into account here.

[Junior Senior]

Im going to posit a probably unpopular view here and say "no, not always."

Reasons for calling here are going to hinge completely on the villain and previous hand histories.  In my experience of grand prix players/ <£300 fo live players is that with the hands you said he would have that often they will just call here to tarp us.  I think the average live players range in this spot, esp someone 'snug' as you described will always be beating tptk (your hand is this here) or will have a lot of equity vs it.

I've found I can fold these kind of spots and get them to call off worse pre or call down worse more often and as such might lean to a fold in this exact spot.

Ul tho, run better imo.

My hand doesnt = TPTK . I have an over pair and TPTK is a hand i expect him to have a large % of the time.

I wouldnt consider them to be trapping oop with A flush draw combo.

I reasoned here that a set wouldnt be played like this much and even Q10 may trap and not c/r.

I have thought about it thru the day and maybe if inthink longer i can find a fold versus a tighter player but still feel he has worse than me so often

[aggers]

I folded QT pre in this hand, with more chips than you at the time. This is turning into a very bad introduction to Blonde for me....

[StuartHopkin]

Im going to posit a probably unpopular view here and say "no, not always."

Reasons for calling here are going to hinge completely on the villain and previous hand histories.  In my experience of grand prix players/ <£300 fo live players is that with the hands you said he would have that often they will just call here to tarp us.  I think the average live players range in this spot, esp someone 'snug' as you described will always be beating tptk (your hand is this here) or will have a lot of equity vs it.

I've found I can fold these kind of spots and get them to call off worse pre or call down worse more often and as such might lean to a fold in this exact spot.

Ul tho, run better imo.

So much overthinking.

This is an unlucky snap call.

If you want to fold here dont bother turning up.

[Leatherman]

Never folding here Gregg..
At least ya got em back we ya A4 vs his AK 

Was screaming for ya inside but couldn't shout out, because the guy had bigger arms than Evilpie if that's even possible. 

[pleno1]

Im going to posit a probably unpopular view here and say "no, not always."

Reasons for calling here are going to hinge completely on the villain and previous hand histories.  In my experience of grand prix players/ <£300 fo live players is that with the hands you said he would have that often they will just call here to tarp us.  I think the average live players range in this spot, esp someone 'snug' as you described will always be beating tptk (your hand is this here) or will have a lot of equity vs it.

I've found I can fold these kind of spots and get them to call off worse pre or call down worse more often and as such might lean to a fold in this exact spot.

Ul tho, run better imo.

So much overthinking.

This is an unlucky snap call.

If you want to fold here dont bother turning up.

agree 10000%

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[TL900]

Im going to posit a probably unpopular view here and say "no, not always."

Reasons for calling here are going to hinge completely on the villain and previous hand histories.  In my experience of grand prix players/ <£300 fo live players is that with the hands you said he would have that often they will just call here to tarp us.  I think the average live players range in this spot, esp someone 'snug' as you described will always be beating tptk (your hand is this here) or will have a lot of equity vs it.

I've found I can fold these kind of spots and get them to call off worse pre or call down worse more often and as such might lean to a fold in this exact spot.

Ul tho, run better imo.

So much overthinking.

This is an unlucky snap call.

If you want to fold here dont bother turning up.

agree 10000%

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V
E
R
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H
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DONT DO IT

+1 to all the above

[Junior Senior]

Never folding here Gregg..
At least ya got em back we ya A4 vs his AK 

Was screaming for ya inside but couldn't shout out, because the guy had bigger arms than Evilpie if that's even possible. 

Oh, you went and added an extra g to my name... That never plays well.

Hehe, 4 ball corner pocket might have gone down like a cold shit sandwich!

[Leatherman]

Never folding here Gregg..
At least ya got em back we ya A4 vs his AK 

Was screaming for ya inside but couldn't shout out, because the guy had bigger arms than Evilpie if that's even possible. 

Oh, you went and added an extra g to my name... That never plays well.

Hehe, 4 ball corner pocket might have gone down like a cold shit sandwich!

Lol soz Greg, see ya at the bar on Saturday. 

[craigbetts]

Never folding here Gregg..
At least ya got em back we ya A4 vs his AK 

Was screaming for ya inside but couldn't shout out, because the guy had bigger arms than Evilpie if that's even possible. 

Oh, you went and added an extra g to my name... That never plays well.

Hehe, 4 ball corner pocket might have gone down like a cold shit sandwich!

I'd have beat him..... in a foot race! As for the hand, we did learn that he played face up. He's doing this with soo many hands you have crushed and he holds the only possible hand (as played) that has you in pain.

Skill game that four! Four more to the senior, four more........