Everything sucks.

[TL900]

9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: travisohc (11910 in chips)
Seat 2: LanexPro (17521 in chips)
Seat 3: Mt.Spewmore (14076 in chips)
Seat 5: Folkavo (27605 in chips)
Seat 6: aJarov (22609 in chips)
Seat 7: lowkeynz (27162 in chips)
Seat 8: swanseaj (6301 in chips)
Seat 9: ohulahan1 (16616 in chips)
travisohc: posts the ante 100
LanexPro: posts the ante 100
Mt.Spewmore: posts the ante 100
Folkavo: posts the ante 100
aJarov: posts the ante 100
lowkeynz: posts the ante 100
swanseaj: posts the ante 100
ohulahan1: posts the ante 100
Folkavo: posts small blind 250
aJarov: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [ ]
lowkeynz: raises 500 to 1000
swanseaj: folds
ohulahan1: folds
travisohc: folds
LanexPro: folds

OR's first hand at the table no reads.   Fold, Call, 3bet/Call, 3bet/Fold, which is optimal and why?

[LonOhRay]

What tournament?

I raise to my year of birth, if his 4 bet includes the month (10) or the day in it I timebank Jam, if not fold.


See three, let blinds come along and flop a set is optimal

[pleno1]

Comp is important. Probably jus 3/call vs most although do think it's close.

[TL900]

11 cubed i believe

[TL900]

bump

[SubZERO]

I agree, everything sucks lol

my initial reaction was to 3bet call, but we are surely going to be crushed against his 4b jam range from UTG? Really dont want to 3bet/fold TT. I think I'd flat here, is that bad?... either that or "accidentally" hit the reset button on my PC

[pleno1]

I agree, everything sucks lol

my initial reaction was to 3bet call, but we are surely going to be crushed against his 4b jam range from UTG? Really dont want to 3bet/fold TT. I think I'd flat here, is that bad?... either that or "accidentally" hit the reset button on my PC

meh i bet we would be flipping vs a realistic range, i.e 88+ aq+ and a few combos of spaz. like 6 combos of hands he jams that aren't premiums.

[muckthenuts]

Dunno how much we can expect OR to spaz here? Our 3bet would look pretty strong.

[pleno1]

its 2012 tho, everybody is 3betting vs utg right?

[PizzicatoXev]

I probably 3b/call...

While we are not exactly in love with the situation, we flip vs many peoples getting it in range here. He also has a large enough stack that if he is a more aggressive player he can be raising all sorts of hands (ie suited connectors etc) which he will fold a good chunk of the time which is fine, and occasionally spaz with which is even more fine...

[George2Loose]

I probably 3b/call...

While we are not exactly in love with the situation, we flip vs many peoples getting it in range here. He also has a large enough stack that if he is a more aggressive player he can be raising all sorts of hands (ie suited connectors etc) which he will fold a good chunk of the time which is fine, and occasionally spaz with which is even more fine...

If a decent portion of his range is suited connectors surely calling is better. Really can't see anyone spazzing out to our stack. I would peel pre

[the rage]

I would CALL pre.
I think the fact that we have no info on villian makes it more of a flat. ie-If he's raising a very narrow range from UTG we will be better off playing the flop in position without inflating the pot.

[the rage]

I agree, everything sucks lol

my initial reaction was to 3bet call, but we are surely going to be crushed against his 4b jam range from UTG? Really dont want to 3bet/fold TT. I think I'd flat here, is that bad?... either that or "accidentally" hit the reset button on my PC

I agree with this. I think pocket tens is not good enough to 3 bet call with as most of the time we are in pretty bad shape against an UTG 4 bet range. whereas if we do hit another ten, most likely in a multi way pot, we could get the lot.

[pleno1]

5th best hand in Hold em yo

[the rage]

5th best hand in Hold em yo

I see what you are saying Pleno. I actually think that this is a really interesting hand for people to look at. Certainly for less experienced players such as myself.
On one hand, 3 bet folding looks, on the face of it, pretty bad to me, as we go down from a stack with plenty of options to one where our options become somewhat reduced.
However, by 3 bet calling, we dispense with the advantage of position that we have. We then have to rely on villian 4 betting with a range of hands that TT is in good shape against to make it profitable. Of course, there is still a chance that one of the blinds wakes up with a hand that they want to play.
 If we flat call, we play the hand in position, for a 2bb cost, with lots of good options, with the benefit of seeing the fop.
 If we 3 bet and villian folds, we haven't actually won a massive amount, altho any extra chips are no bad thing.
 It's still a CALL for me, but i would be really be interested to hear other peoples thought processes for this one.
Cheers for posting it TL900.