Live £1/2- 3 way multiway hand with big hand but do we bet?

[rfgqqabc]

Playing £900- V1- 400- rec player loves splashing about, most cards pre and happy to peel with most pairs, massive respect vs me tho V2- 1k- Ok player who buys in super deep usually, very tight and trappy. Slowplays and check/raises massive in cases like this. V2 sees me good and aggressive, maybe a bit spewy

  On the button- Make it £12 after two limps. V1 in BB peels, V2 who limped in ep called.

Flop: 
Checks to me, i lead for £25, a single pony flicked over the line. Both players follow suit flicking it in with little thought.

Turn £105: 

WWYD? Pretty dominated if check/raised by V2. He could be slowplaying there, not expecting me to go mental on the flop for stacks. V2 could easily have TT/88 and poss KQ and other 2 pairs. V1 raises 2pair big also imo, but less likely to have slowplayed otf, could have KQ/KT.

Probs getting stack in no matter what if V1 has a flush, not getting the lot vs V2, but can get bet/raise,out of it

[George2Loose]

Don't play too much cash but I would be hating this card. Hits a lot of hands that are calling on the flop. One pair hands which have improved, gut shots etc. Would check call and hit the on the river

[pleno1]

We can't check call because we're on the button.

Just check and see a river. Fold anything that doesn't improve us.

I'd make it bigger pre.

[George2Loose]

We can't check call because we're on the button.

Just check and see a river. Fold anything that doesn't improve us.

I'd make it bigger pre.

Yeh check back then

[Donk23]

dont think making it slightly bigger pre will put them 2 limpers off calling, and you dont want to make it too big otherwise your not getting any value from your value hands.

personally i would bet once more, in a fairly comfortable position to inflate the pot with position and get stacks in on the almighty amazon of rivers

[GreekStein]

Not hating it as much as George is.

When they both flick it in on the flop I think sets and J9 are really unlikely because even if they did just flat to be sneaky etc they'd likely give it some thought.

They flick it in on the flop with 89, 910, 10J, AQ, A10, KJ, KQ, K10, AJ, Q9, QJ, 8J.

Now on the rare occasion I play live cash I have a formula/system....

WWAMLMMJD. = What would absolutely massive little monson mitch johnson do? (I'm going to make a post soon on the complete strategy).

In this case I think Mitch would bet again. If he got raised he'd call and then jam all board pairs as well as hearts. If he just got called he'd bet big on rivers because when he does this people always fold 2 pair but always call him with AQ and KJ.

[Mitch]

Hmm, if it was HU vs the player who had a bag, i might bet smallish, to be able to call a raise then fold if the river bricked and he donked big.

Against 2 players, the nightmare situation is to be raised, then 3 bet, and being blown off a hand that can make the nuts and give somebody else a very strong hand that they arent going to be able to fold.... maybe even 2 players getting chunks in before it gets to us in position on the river.

Check and river the straighting heart card imo.

[rfgqqabc]

Sweet. I checked back.

River: 

V1 checks, V2 bets £35 rather quick compared to normal. Size? V1 would have great difficulty folding a flush above a imo

[Mitch]

You've got the nut situation here really.

Hes bet 1/3 pot and your in position, so you have the licence to make this really big in a kind of 'im raising because that looks weak' situation. Always makes it much easier for them to level themselves in the most ridic sport when this happens.

With the player you describe as weaker stuck in the middle, hes prob going to call off a lot lighter here than he should be when it goes bet raise on a bad river. Make it £185 here and expect to get called off by both a decent % of the time.

Would be a sweet spot with villain 2's tendencies if you didn't have in your hand aswell, because now we cant really raise small to try and get him to re squeeze a smaller flush. As it is, hes calling with all flushes anyway, especially when he prob expets you to continue with all your big FDs on the turn.

[cambridgealex]

Hmm, if it was HU vs the player who had a bag, i might bet smallish, to be able to call a raise then fold if the river bricked and he donked big.

Classic Mitch "3betting 22 hoping they 4bet so I can peel and flop a set" mentality

[Mitch]

Hmm, if it was HU vs the player who had a bag, i might bet smallish, to be able to call a raise then fold if the river bricked and he donked big.

Classic Mitch "3betting 22 hoping they 4bet so I can peel and flop a set" mentality

Give the game away why dont you.

[pleno1]

10 £25's

[AlexMartin]

almost never getting checkraised ott. Bet small definitely, burning money with checkback!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every single Jx is calling a small turn bet (its 1-3@the vic ffs), plus dominated flushdraws call (yum) = building pot with bet hand most or the time and best draw all of the time. This isnt 2/4 online.

[muckthenuts]

Really interesting spot and i would def be tempted to check in game, keeping worse hands in on a scary looking board and not facing the nightmare of getting c/rd ourselves. Betting small does seem better though. Also a really minor detail but this deep prob best to go like £15-18 pre, £12 a little too small.