20nl 1010 vs but 4bet

[parker]

The only reason im posting this is because we were sitting fairly deep and i think it added a dynamic im not very familiar with.

Villian is 28/24/13.8 over 450 hands (although at the time of the hand i cant recall exactly what stats i have). Ive seen him get creative but his post flop play i would consider solid. Not a fish.

hes sitting with $30 im sitting with $37.

he opens button to .60 i 3bet sb to $2 with 1010.

after standard time he makes it $5.

after playing with him a little more i know his 4bet is 30.8!!!

what is our line vs 4bet from button oop sitting deeper than usual?

[Honeybadger]

If 4bet stat is accurate then we have a profitable 5bet jam. But 4bet stats take around 2,000 hands to start to converge. So I'd ignore this stat totally for the purposes of this hand.

Flatting preflop is likely better than 3betting considering you are 150bbs deep and you don't know what to do vs a 4bet.

[SuuPRlim]

So I'd ignore this stat totally for the purposes of this hand.

yh - remember that in order to 4bet you must first be facing a 3bet, in a 450 hand sample its actually possible for him to have face less than 10 3bets (likely to be la little more) lets say 20, so his 30.8 stat is saying that if he's faced 20 3bets he's been able to 4bet 6 times and those could easily have been KK+ every time or vs short stacks where he's had to get it in with  AJ or something.

if you had 10,000 hands on him then he's prolly faced towards 500 3bets and if he's 4bet 150 of those times then obv we have a great spot to go all in with our Tens. Thats monster high mind for someone with a 24% PFR, very unlikely to be accurate, i've seen aggro players with a 14% 4bet before over decent samples but never much higher (you get higher 4b%'s from players with VERY tight PFR's but that's mainly because they are opening such fantastic hands to start with that often when 3bet they have a hand good enough to 4bet.) I think 450 hands and 24% PFR is enough to assume this guy is not one of those players.

[parker]

So I'd ignore this stat totally for the purposes of this hand.

yh - remember that in order to 4bet you must first be facing a 3bet, in a 450 hand sample its actually possible for him to have face less than 10 3bets (likely to be la little more) lets say 20, so his 30.8 stat is saying that if he's faced 20 3bets he's been able to 4bet 6 times and those could easily have been KK+ every time or vs short stacks where he's had to get it in with  AJ or something.

if you had 10,000 hands on him then he's prolly faced towards 500 3bets and if he's 4bet 150 of those times then obv we have a great spot to go all in with our Tens. Thats monster high mind for someone with a 24% PFR, very unlikely to be accurate, i've seen aggro players with a 14% 4bet before over decent samples but never much higher (you get higher 4b%'s from players with VERY tight PFR's but that's mainly because they are opening such fantastic hands to start with that often when 3bet they have a hand good enough to 4bet.) I think 450 hands and 24% PFR is enough to assume this guy is not one of those players.

excellent breakdown!

whats your line?

the hand actually got a bit odd on later streets

[AlexMartin]

really helps to know how he plays in a 4b pot also, all his aggression upfront or backend?

looks like a call though, dont like the other options much.

[parker]

really helps to know how he plays in a 4b pot also, all his aggression upfront or backend?

looks like a call though, dont like the other options much.

hes aggro more upfront and pretty standard on later streets.

i flatted. was a jxx board two flushing cards. no blockers (banksy mentions about 5 times today its yoiur favourite word in the world haha).

i check, he checks.

turn rainbow q. i check he bets 5.

I thought he barrels most pairs (especially at these stakes) and thought most likely ak on the flop. on the turn i actually dont care on the outcome i was looking him up just for the experience of it to be honest. half thinking im good against ak and half thinking some qx hand?

i call

river k. nut worst card obv. xxjqk. i check and he clicks back a9.... confused much