Sports personality of the year

[typhoon13]

Winning the Tour de France is a massive achievement and he is the first Briton to ever do it. It is one of the biggest sporting events held on an annual basis, plus it is probably the biggest test of stamina in mainstream sport.

I am not saying it is the greatest ever, but Wiggins has also won Olympic games gold (crushed it), Paris-Nice (2nd brit ever) and the Criterium du Dauphine.

I think Wiggins CV> anyone elses at the moment. It is also not like he has come from nowhere, he has had a very succesful cycling career.

This is a good statement. Winning the TdF as the biggest British sporting achievment ever is nonsense.

That statement was made to cause a debate

So, lets see what you think is the biggest sporting achievement by a Brit

[millidonk]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

[The Camel]

Winning the Tour de France is a massive achievement and he is the first Briton to ever do it. It is one of the biggest sporting events held on an annual basis, plus it is probably the biggest test of stamina in mainstream sport.

I am not saying it is the greatest ever, but Wiggins has also won Olympic games gold (crushed it), Paris-Nice (2nd brit ever) and the Criterium du Dauphine.

I think Wiggins CV> anyone elses at the moment. It is also not like he has come from nowhere, he has had a very succesful cycling career.

This is a good statement. Winning the TdF as the biggest British sporting achievment ever is nonsense.

That statement was made to cause a debate

So, lets see what you think is the biggest sporting achievement by a Brit

Very difficult obv.

But I'll go for in my lifetime, tie between Phil Taylor and AP McCoy.

Steve Redgrave, Matthew Pinsent, Chris Hoy, Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, Nick Faldo, Bradley Wiggins (not for winning the TdF but for his whole career) and Daley Thompson close behind.

[TightEnd]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

[The Camel]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

Top of your chosen sport for 25 years is less of an achievement than winning ONE RACE?!?!?!?

The Tour is a ridiculously tough race, but if you make Wiggins winning it ONCE the biggest achievement, what does that make Lance Armstrong or Miguel Indurain?

I'd rather go for a beer with Wiggins, but Taylor's (and McCoy's) achievements are unsurpassed.

[typhoon13]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

I agree

Stands back behind you

[TightEnd]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

Top of your chosen sport for 25 years is less of an achievement than winning ONE RACE?!?!?!?

The Tour is a ridiculously tough race, but if you make Wiggins winning it ONCE the biggest achievement, what does that make Lance Armstrong or Miguel Indurain?

I'd rather go for a beer with Wiggins, but Taylor's (and McCoy's) achievements are unsurpassed.

I'm not saying its the biggest achievement. For me, it isn't. Tricky to say what is

I would however put winning one TdeF above sixteen world darts titles..in terms of physical achievement and the global nature of cycling/non global nature of darts....

[millidonk]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

Minority sport due to the guys at the top being so good. Millions of ppl play darts but they just never come good enough to compete.

People are flippant about darts as a sport but these guys put in 5-10hrs a day practice, the psychological aspect is immense, there are no team mates to pick up the slack for you, the consistent accuracy required is unparalleled in sport and for one guy to be WORLD champion SIXTEEN times is just incredible.

Wiggins sat on a bike, peddled about a bit and won a tdf one time is what I would say if I was a cynic.

[typhoon13]

Taylor is brilliant, yes, but, Same oche, same distance from board, same venues, same board, same winning distances,

all fairly familiar every time a darts player goes out there.

I have played regular team and individual darts competitive for nearly 40 years so can understand Taylors greatness.

Now if the country thought it was a massive achievement he would of been voted SPOTY already

I am not having a go at Taylor, just wondering what others thoughts are.

[The Camel]

Trev. You seriously think Wiggins achievement is better than Taylor's? World Champion SIXTEEN times!!! Nobody has surpassed that I don't think.

I think it's greater. Think Cycling is a far superior sport, physically (even though its not clean). Darts is a very minority sport despite Hearn/Sky marketing.

Stands back.....

Top of your chosen sport for 25 years is less of an achievement than winning ONE RACE?!?!?!?

The Tour is a ridiculously tough race, but if you make Wiggins winning it ONCE the biggest achievement, what does that make Lance Armstrong or Miguel Indurain?

I'd rather go for a beer with Wiggins, but Taylor's (and McCoy's) achievements are unsurpassed.

I'm not saying its the biggest achievement. For me, it isn't. Tricky to say what is

I would however put winning one TdeF above sixteen world darts titles..in terms of physical achievement and the global nature of cycling/non global nature of darts....

Of course winning the tour is bigger physical achievment, but so is coming last in the first stage.

I would bet good money, Taylor puts as many hours into working on his game as Wiggins.

And he's done it for nearly 30 years! Beating off challenge after challenge from a succession of younger and hungrier competitors.

[77dave]

Could Wiggins of won the TdF without Team Sky?

[The Camel]

Could Wiggins of won the TdF without Team Sky?

I think the Tour would be a MUCH better race without the team structures.

[TightEnd]

"Minority sport due to the guys at the top being so good. Millions of ppl play darts but they just never come good enough to compete."


Darts World Championship entries are UK, Dutch, a Canadian, some Australians. Not really a global entry (correct me if I am wrong)

It's a minority sport because most of the world doesn't play it

In the TdeF, its the best cyclicsts from the World over.



Taylor obviously immense, with longevity added...but not in a sport that should be considered in "greatest ever" categories to me, just like other non global sports like Cricket and rugby can't be

[Longy]

Could Wiggins of won the TdF without Team Sky?

Without any teams he is the likely winner imo, impossible to say definitely. He was the strongest by some distance in the time trials, the only true individual stages.

If he doesn't win it, Froome probably does.

[Alverton]

Wiggins winning the Tour is the SINGLE biggest sporting achievement in British history

Tough bugger that Wiggins

FYP

Don't think it should be a debate about careers.  A lot of peoples sporting careers can be argued for/against and hard to define which is best.  But as a Single sporting achievement??   

As a single entity WigginsTDF or his gold medal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 of Taylors world championships. AINEC, imo

Also Cycling>>>>>>>>>>>>Darts as a sport, doesn't mean I think ill of Taylor or all his hard work he's put into his career over the last 30 yrs and his acheivements.  But would Wiggins have to win 17 TDF, or Gold medals to top Taylor?