Lance Armstrong gives up the fight

[tikay]

No mention of football?

[Snowball]

No mention of football?

A lot of the Premiership players are a cert, built like Heavyweight Boxers.

[mondatoo]

No mention of football?

[rfgqqabc]

How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle?

A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system.

Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago.

I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

[Tal]

How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle?

A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system.

Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago.

I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Absolutely. You can't say with any sport - even cycling - "everyone's at it", but the sheer size of a winger nowadays is a world apart from 10-20 years back. They look like flankers and 11s hundred meters, 17st and taking the hits they take every week from similar guys just doesn't feel right.

[rfgqqabc]

How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle?

A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system.

Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago.

I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Absolutely. You can't say with any sport - even cycling - "everyone's at it", but the sheer size of a winger nowadays is a world apart from 10-20 years back. They look like flankers and 11s hundred meters, 17st and taking the hits they take every week from similar guys just doesn't feel right.

The sport has gone through a massive transformation in the last 10-20 years too though. The size of the players is too much for the human body to cope with. In a few years time people will realise the average career in rugby will be 5-6 years, and its going to leave people broken. Doctors have said players go through a series of small car crashes during a game, due to the sheer size. I mean, the sport has come a long way, but doping will make the game unplayable, and I have an awful feeling its involved in virtually every major sport atm.

[Ironside]

What about the practice of "boosting" used  by Paralympic athletes!

The International Paralympic Committee will test athletes to ensure the practice of 'boosting' blood pressure ahead of competition to enhance performance does not happen at the London 2012 Paralympics.
'Boosting' - known medically as induced autonomic dysreflexia - has been used by athletes with spinal cord injuries. By inflicting pain below the spinal injury, athletes are able to increase their heart rate which in turn increases the amount of oxygen to the muscles. The condition can be triggered naturally by injury or even sunburn, but can also be induced artificially and can improve performance by up to 10%.

there is so much "cheating" in disabilty sport its unreal its very common for people to fake there categories as much as i would love to get into the paraolympics i wont be take to take one medal as clean

[Royal Flush]

Although you might all be right about Rugby a key thing to remember is 10-20 years ago it was nowhere near as big as it is now, the professional changes in rugby mean its inevitable the training gets far more rigorous and far more advanced. As such you should expect a big change in the size of these guys over that period, more people playing professionally means more working out multiple hours every day completely devoted to that and a nutritional plan.

[smashedagain]

Although you might all be right about Rugby a key thing to remember is 10-20 years ago it was nowhere near as big as it is now, the professional changes in rugby mean its inevitable the training gets far more rigorous and far more advanced. As such you should expect a big change in the size of these guys over that period, more people playing professionally means more working out multiple hours every day completely devoted to that and a nutritional plan.

This man had one of the biggest influences on rugby and the build of the players. Put most modern players against the defences Jonah played against then I am sure they would be just as destructive

[TightEnd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716

[Tonji]

For anyone interested in the USADA detail

http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf

to quote the journalist David Walsh "It is ALL there on http://usada.org, entire report plus all affidavits. No man or woman of sane mind can now never doubt what went on"

[Delboy]

For anyone interested in the USADA detail

http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf

to quote the journalist David Walsh "It is ALL there on http://usada.org, entire report plus all affidavits. No man or woman of sane mind can now never doubt what went on"

true, true; very sad but true

[Delboy]

The bit about how they stayed un-detected is very interesting, and quite damning of the testing authorities.

Its quite funny that the time honoured way of avoiding an out of comp test is to not open the door and hide!!!

[Tonji]

Awaiting with interest response from the UCI & Pat McQuaid.

[Tal]

If Hincapie accepts it, that's game over now, surely?