The transfer deadline thread

[tikay]

a further point on why players from abroad are so cheap compared to from here

Premier league teams are pretty much the only sides who when they buy a player pay all or the majority of the fee upfront at once before the player has even played a game.

Somebody like valladolid who sold michu to swansea for 2 million, were reportedly offered 4 and 5 million from la liga sides but over a 4 or 5 year period. There are numerous examples of transfers that have never been paid abroad (and quite a few in the championship and lower)

Michu - is that the chap who did all the "rolling about on the floor in agony" theatricals when he got a mild palm in the face from Carlton Cole on Saturday, then got up, right as rein, as soon as Cole got carded?

[Karabiner]

a further point on why players from abroad are so cheap compared to from here

Premier league teams are pretty much the only sides who when they buy a player pay all or the majority of the fee upfront at once before the player has even played a game.

Somebody like valladolid who sold michu to swansea for 2 million, were reportedly offered 4 and 5 million from la liga sides but over a 4 or 5 year period. There are numerous examples of transfers that have never been paid abroad (and quite a few in the championship and lower)

Michu - is that the chap who did all the "rolling about on the floor in agony" theatricals when he got a mild palm in the face from Carlton Cole on Saturday, then got up, right as rein, as soon as Cole got carded?

No I'm pretty sure that was Chico, fairly sure it was rain too;)

[tikay]

a further point on why players from abroad are so cheap compared to from here

Premier league teams are pretty much the only sides who when they buy a player pay all or the majority of the fee upfront at once before the player has even played a game.

Somebody like valladolid who sold michu to swansea for 2 million, were reportedly offered 4 and 5 million from la liga sides but over a 4 or 5 year period. There are numerous examples of transfers that have never been paid abroad (and quite a few in the championship and lower)

Michu - is that the chap who did all the "rolling about on the floor in agony" theatricals when he got a mild palm in the face from Carlton Cole on Saturday, then got up, right as rein, as soon as Cole got carded?

No I'm pretty sure that was Chico, fairly sure it was rain too;)

Ahh yes, Chico, I remember now. Think he overdid the theatricals.

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[Tal]

I've had a wonderful evening.

This wasn't it.

[horseplayer]

lots of negativity around the spurs madrid partnership

here are "some" fringe players from madrid the last five or so seasons

metzelder, garay, gago, granero, van der vaart, negredo, javi garcia

[Tal]

lots of negativity around the spurs madrid partnership

here are "some" fringe players from madrid the last five or so seasons

metzelder, garay, gago, granero, van der vaart, negredo, javi garcia

There won't be that much negativity from the spurs end. Yes, the big concern is bale, but if he is going to go somewhere, we would always rather he went to a non-prem club.

That aside, seems like we benefit if there are swaps, loans and coaching opportunities. I can see us sharing pre-season tours, which will be lucrative with two attractive footballing teams (yes one better than the other, before anyone thinks I'm saying we are equals), plus business ventures.

There's a spurs saying: In Levy we trust. We don't always understand what he's doing, but he has a habit of getting it right.

[redarmi]

You seem to be a big Levy fan Tal.  Is that something that is the case amongst all Spurs fans?  I had some dealings with him a few years ago and whilst he is undoubtedly a shrewd businessman I am not sure I would want him in charge of my football club.

[Tal]

You seem to be a big Levy fan Tal.  Is that something that is the case amongst all Spurs fans?  I had some dealings with him a few years ago and whilst he is undoubtedly a shrewd businessman I am not sure I would want him in charge of my football club.

All chairmen get criticised for selling our best players but Levy has been able to get good money for our players - £30m for berbatov (yours for £3m now apparently), £20m+ for Carrick, £33m for Luka. His style verges on the super-anal at times, with his apparent refusal to negotiate under any circumstances.

There's a rumour he bought the concrete for the new stadium at the low point of the credit crunch and saved £15m.

Against it, of course, we've bought some massively overpriced players but it is generally accepted that he's a savvy and astute chairman.

Taking total control of all finances when Harry was in charge was a rather good decision IMO...

Also worth saying that he isn't playing with his own money. As you prob know, spurs is owned by ENIC, which has a majority shareholder, who effectively bankrolls the club. Levy has a financial interest but is chiefly a front-of-house man, entrusted to make decisions.

Our finances are in really good order, compared to most of the clubs around us.

Comolli's appointment was a terrible idea, as he essentially bought a load of overpriced average players. Jol had - if rumours are to be believed - little if any say in the majority of the recruitments and that ultimately led to the breakdown in the relationship and the loss of a much loved manager (much more loved than Harry - even when he left, Harry divided opinion amongst the fans).

Overall, the view remains that we have an excellent chairman who is serving the club's best interests. I hope AVB works out of course!

[MANTIS01]

I don't get Daniel Levy at all. A few years ago Spurs were riding high under Martin Jol who was delivering consistently good league finishes and who was a popular character. But Levy chooses to whip the carpet away and employ the latest continental manager in fashion in Juande Ramos instead. Unproven in English football Ramos turned out to be one big flop. Great progression and visionary insight there Daniel. So then plain old Harry comes along and takes Spurs from bottom to champions league football. Not satisfied with his first blunder Levy now repeats the exact same mistake. Sacks a popular character who is delivering consistently good league finishes and employs the latest continental manager in fashion. A guy unproven in English football and who has already turned out to be one big flop. I think Levy is some kind of football snob or has delusions of grandeur or something. 

[77dave]

How much do people think Liverpool could get for :

J. Cole
J. Henderson
C. Adam
S. Downing
J. Spearing

All could be on the chopping block and might move in the next couple of days.

[mondatoo]

How much do people think Liverpool could get for :

J. Cole 2m
J. Henderson 12m
C. Adam 2m
S. Downing 9m
J. Spearing 3m

All could be on the chopping block and might move in the next couple of days.

[ForthThistle]

How much do people think Liverpool could get for :

J. Cole 1.5m
J. Henderson 6M
C. Adam 2M
S. Downing 5M
J. Spearing 2m

All could be on the chopping block and might move in the next couple of days.

IMO

Just don't get the Henderson/Downing thing. 

[77dave]

How much do people think Liverpool could get for :

J. Cole
J. Henderson
C. Adam
S. Downing
J. Spearing
A. Carroll

All could be on the chopping block and might move in the next couple of days.

sorry missed Carroll out

[TightEnd]

Jay Spearing has been at Leicester this week

It's not £2m, I hope. Hoping for less than £1m

[Tal]

I don't get Daniel Levy at all. A few years ago Spurs were riding high under Martin Jol who was delivering consistently good league finishes and who was a popular character. But Levy chooses to whip the carpet away and employ the latest continental manager in fashion in Juande Ramos instead. Unproven in English football Ramos turned out to be one big flop. Great progression and visionary insight there Daniel. So then plain old Harry comes along and takes Spurs from bottom to champions league football. Not satisfied with his first blunder Levy now repeats the exact same mistake. Sacks a popular character who is delivering consistently good league finishes and employs the latest continental manager in fashion. A guy unproven in English football and who has already turned out to be one big flop. I think Levy is some kind of football snob or has delusions of grandeur or something. 

Think I've covered most of this above. I know a few spurs fans who have never liked Harry and an equal number who love him. Some of the opinion is that Harry courted the England job and very much caused the slump, with the players not knowing what was going on. Next thing, he hasn't resolved his differences with Sir Trevor Brooking, he has hired the agent that held united to ransom, he wants to negotiate a nice new juicy contract and he is on sky sports more that Brian Swanson, saying how terrible it is for the players when they don't know how long the manager has left.

He did turn the team around, he is an outstanding man-manager and coach and he's a real character. To keep the team together (modric and bale) and to bring in big names, we needed Champions League football. He was very unlucky that Chelsea's bus was so big, but third was a fair requirement of the team last season. Had it been purely because we didn't qualify, I think his sacking would have been harsh.

Harry did (as Mick "If it weren't for referees I'd have won the Champions League with every team I've managed" McCarthy said on Sunday) roll the grenade into AVB's dressing room by saying that the spurs team he left should challenge for the league.

I don't think Ramos was the problem as much as the system he brought in with him. He completely changed the setup with Frank Arnesen and Damien Comolli. It just didn't work and the European style didn't extend to the way spurs wanted to operate.

BTW am loving people's valuations of Henderson. Livermore must be worth £30m by those figures, and I don't even rate him!