GUKPT Coventry Main - sick spot

[youthnkzR]

Blinds 200/400 ante 50.. (big blind is sat out and has been all day.. We are relativly new to the table and have only played one hand.. Where we had to showdown a bluff... We opened his blind last hand and totally butchered a hand - which I will post about later)... We have in the HJ and make it 800... Call by button (the guy who I butchered the hand to previously) and sb also calls.. Flop  .. We bet 1.7k.. Button calls, sb folds.. Turn  .. We bet 3.9k.. Button calls.. River  .. We bet 6k.. Button snap goes all in (I have left myself 7k behind and blinds have gone up during the hand to 300/600).. We sigh fold.

Is this the correct line? How is the hand as played? Is the river always a fold? Should I jam the river for what i think is value  (just over pot sized bet - rather then bet/folding a big % of my stack)?

Opinions would be greatly appreciated!!

[TL900]

I think u played it well man. Think your sizings were a little smaller than quoted here, namely 5100 otr. As i said though i like your line and sizings in game

[Doobs]

I think the bet was 6k on river.  River fold felt right at the time, he just looked really strong.  But pot was  so big I think you probably should call in the cold light of day. Only have to be right 20% of the time.  Was a horrid spot.  

Hello btw didn't know who you were at the time.

[MANTIS01]

Not sure bf is a good line on the river in this spot. Unique factors here are new table, bb sitting out & having to showdown a bluff to this villain in the only bit of history. Because it's a new table we don't rightly know how villain is going to interpret our range but there is reason enough for him to conclude he's well ahead with a worse hand. Because we don't know what this guy's bets mean i'm not putting in half my stack on the river to soul read fold a stranger and leave myself with 10bb. This could be some qualifier with A-J who does a bink snap spaz or some kinda sneeky K-K trap. More comfortable with bf if we know more or the stacks are different.

[cambridgealex]

yeh bet fold, think 6k is too much though on this board texture.

[skolsuper]

Fine up to the river fold, I do a call. It's close at best, and his river timing says you're ahead imo.

[Oxford_HRV]

yeah I'm shipping river here,(no sets allowed) it's 14k in pot and we have 13k? due to what you have said in the original post, I feel our hand is rather under represented and after a couple of hands that haven't played out so optimally, the tables impression of you is probably not the best, so openin the hi-J to a dead BB and triple barreling a pretty dry board HU they could still be enough a % of bluffs to call you down with a wide range of 1pair hands, and as said previous snap jamming the river don't seem too strong, especially if he is pretty much insta calling you on all streets only thing I'd be hating is J9

[youthnkzR]

yeh bet fold, think 6k is too much though on this board texture.

think i actually bet 5.1k as tom said previous.. couldnt remember fully when i wrote this as had only just woke up

[youthnkzR]

yeah I'm shipping river here,(no sets allowed) it's 14k in pot and we have 13k? due to what you have said in the original post, I feel our hand is rather under represented and after a couple of hands that haven't played out so optimally, the tables impression of you is probably not the best, so openin the hi-J to a dead BB and triple barreling a pretty dry board HU they could still be enough a % of bluffs to call you down with a wide range of 1pair hands, and as said previous snap jamming the river don't seem too strong, especially if he is pretty much insta calling you on all streets only thing I'd be hating is J9

i may have got the sizing slightly wrong but in essence i had around a pot sized bet left yes.. i felt lafter like a river jam may be best but realistically what hands are calling us?

[youthnkzR]

The previous hand:

I open the HJ @ 200/400 ante 50 with (same situation BB is sat out) to 800.. called by the button.. others fold. (At this point i see the button as a fish pretty much - just by the way he holds himself at the table - handles chips... etc  - pretty sure he's playing fairly scared / doesnt seem very experienced - but obviously nothing is confirmed as I'm relatively new to the table.)

Flop:

 

One of the best flops we could have hoped for obviously - Instead of leading the flop i checked (with the intention of check raising / bet / bet the later streets (with reasonable board run-outs)... this didnt go to plan as he checked behind

Turn:

 

I lead for 1050... called.

River:

 

(Pretty good card - so i thought) - I bet 2775... Call

Announce K high and villan shows down   ..... hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Oxford_HRV]

yeah I'm shipping river here,(no sets allowed) it's 14k in pot and we have 13k? due to what you have said in the original post, I feel our hand is rather under represented and after a couple of hands that haven't played out so optimally, the tables impression of you is probably not the best, so openin the hi-J to a dead BB and triple barreling a pretty dry board HU they could still be enough a % of bluffs to call you down with a wide range of 1pair hands, and as said previous snap jamming the river don't seem too strong, especially if he is pretty much insta calling you on all streets only thing I'd be hating is J9

i may have got the sizing slightly wrong but in essence i had around a pot sized bet left yes.. i felt lafter like a river jam may be best but realistically what hands are calling us?

I'd have loved to check raised the turn all in, it makes little sense and I doubt this dude is playing 45 58 8T.
What made you fold here? thoughts he has a set?
And ofc the fact of the matter is nothing that calls your shove you are beating but I'm loving the fact this seems more like he thinks you're crazy, your stealing a dead BB, he don't think you have any of that, and is sick of you making moves. And honestly if I thought you were barreling air, which is more than viable on this board, and you lead out for 5 from 13 on the river it seems soooo 'too scared to jam my bluff, 5k should get a fold'
Realistically I think he can be playing all pairs up to TT and most 9x hand in my opinion and you're good against those combos

[Oxford_HRV]

Edit.. WTF A7 you must have been good with AA or clipped an unlucky river, as you describe villain I really would be hating on J9 right now

[discomonkey]

i would open bigger pre live, esp if people arent going to give you credit and you have played many hands at the table, might as well get the extra bit in the middle when we have the best of it... + it allows you to go bigger on every street and you can plan to have it all in by the river... as played i think bet/call and bet/fold both suck, but im assuming he has it always when he snap shoves over our 3rd barrell....not sure the river decision will win or lose you a great deal of money in the long though

[AlexMartin]

how thinly to ppl jam river for value here in villains shoes?

[cambridgealex]

how thinly to ppl jam river for value here in villains shoes?

any 2pair+, cos ppl a) dont fold overpairs and if they do, they don't fold em to me!