Is this terrible? (2)

[Kilgore_Trout]

Here goes for a second installment of possibly poor play...

£30 buy in live tournament. I have around 22,000 chips and I'm in BB again, blinds are 300, 600.

UTG (villain) with around 16,000 limps in. Villain limps in a lot from all positions with hands as varied as J3 to AA.  Two other players limp in. SB folds. I have KQoff (no diamonds) and check. I'm possibly ahead and could raise but most raises get called on this table and I dont want to have to play a big pot out of position.

Flop comes  . Happy days it seems. I check hoping someone else will bet with a worse king or just trying to steal the pot from late position if it goes check check check.

UTG bets 1,000. One player calls, one folds. I make it 4,000. UTG+1 insta calls (which should have been more of a warning on reflection) and the other player folds.

So theres around 12,000 in the pot, around what villain has left and I have a bit more.

The turn is the    completing the possible flush draw. I haven't seen UTG bet a flush draw up to now and I'm guessing he's not that sort of a player. I think he most likely has a king and he's probably scared of the flush.

I decide to shove thinking he might fold a better hand like two pair as its for his tournament life. He might hero call with a worse hand than mine like KJ, K10 - especialy if he has the king of diamonds.

UTG thinks for a while and calls.

Did I do a bad thing?

[discomonkey]

i dont think you can be trying to get him to fold better AND call worse, that seems tough to do.

i would more often than not lead this flop there are lots of worse hands to get called by, especially given the nature of the tournament/table. the turn seems a terrible card both if u are trying to get value and for the strength of your hand.

the turn is a pretty tough spot and i think i would be inclined to cehck/decide, see what he bets, if he bets etc,

[Kilgore_Trout]

Yes i think with the insta call of the check raise on the flop and then with the horrible turn card I panicked a bit.

On the turn I was thinking if I check and he bets what do I do? Check raising the flop and folding the turn seems pretty weak. I suppose pray he checks it also but then I have the same problem on the river.

[discomonkey]

if he cehcks back you have less of a problem as his range can be perceived as somewhat weaker.

[muckthenuts]

Checking pre seems ok to me tbf, though raising for value probably preferable.

Lead flop, we probably have the best hand and have no need to overrep our 1 pair by check raising. As played the snap call is probably an indication of weakness, and probably i just shove turn now knowing he won't fold any worse k's cos it's live and will prob call with a few pair + fd hands he's now made too.

[Kilgore_Trout]

OK so not too far off what I did then.

As played it turned out villain had K4 for top two pair on the flop and called my turn shove after some deliberation.  Maybe I was just unlucky here?

On reflection I think maybe I was best to just check/call the flop then try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. Or maybe that's missing value when he has KJ/K10?

[cambridgealex]

Check pre is good/standard

Bet flop>>>checking

Not sure about check/call vs check/raise, I never really get into these spots as I'd never check top pair good kicker in the first place.

Basically by raising you don't really know whether you've been called by a better or worse hand do you? And when the turn comes you don't know what to do.

By taking a simple bet bet bet line you can confidently assume you're ahead until you get raised.

That's why I wouldn't c/raise the flop because you really don't know whether you're in front or not.