EDL

[pleno1]

So how popular are the edl at the moment? I know they teamed up with the British freedom party.

Watched a lot of demonstrations/speeches etc as a form on entertainment if anything. I know a lot of 'lutonions' post on here and I heard that's where all the initial anger stemmed from. 

They obviously try to distance themselves from the national front/bnp etc but without he masses of football fans who will naturally be a little lary they will have no chance of getting a sufficient amount of votes to make them ever be able to achieve anything.

This is by no means a post promoting the edl btw, ive always found right wing organisations incredibly interesting from trying to understand them and generally find all the documentaries etc pretty funny.

[The Camel]

We need some EDL members on PHA imo.

[pleno1]

Yeh these guys always going to come up. Whilst I don't want tO sound like a right Wong sympathiser, what exactly should the party do?

They either turn away a huge amount of people who's main problem is that they are basically uneducated and have no chance of getting a working class job and this massively decreasing their chances  of ever gettIng close to power, or they keep everybody have bigger numbers but constantly be assOciates with the people like the guy on the video.

[The Camel]

Yeh these guys always going to come up. Whilst I don't want tO sound like a right Wong sympathiser, what exactly should the party do?

They either turn away a huge amount of people who's main problem is that they are basically uneducated and have no chance of getting a working class job and this massively decreasing their chances  of ever gettIng close to power, or they keep everybody have bigger numbers but constantly be assOciates with the people like the guy on the video.

They are not a political party.

They are a bunch of hooligans, thugs and trolls who want to blame their shitty life on anyone apart from themselves.

What should they do? They should GTFO of my country.

[pleno1]

But the 'thugs' represent a huge part of the country. Maybe not your age or class but so many people I know from school/growin up who are 18-25 fit massively into the stereotype you gave.

They are actually a political party now, like I said in op they have Joined forces with the British freedom party.

Don't get me wrong I don't support them or anything just interested in seeing exactly who follows then and as a community the general intelligence level is very high so was just seeing if any representation really.

I really love to write a book about right wing parties when I'm a little older I do find then really interesting and whilst I'll never support then I've tried to look past the initial common problems to understand then a bit more although I agree at times it's very hard.

Fwiw Keith would you also want the Islamic community who choose to use sharia law to 'get out of your country' too or is it just the hooligan younger English guys?

[discomonkey]

a national newspaper listed a bunch of policies a while back across a full page and asked "would you vote for this party", all very legit very reasonable policies and it turned out to be the BNP....

even though there are a lot of extreme retard policies in some of the far right political groups some of the sentiments they have actually resonate through  large parts of the country....

im not even close to supporting any of the extreme parties but certain parts of the ideals and thought processes are pretty legit and if they were adjusted to be slighty less extreme, would get a shit load of votes if they were made to be the main focus of their campaigns imo

[DMorgan]

The EDL/BNP/National Front are all just hate groups that call themselves political parties to garner media coverage.

During the last general election campaign I had a look at the BNP website to find out about their economic policies (Nick Griffin had mentioned them on his Question Time appearance) and the few paragraphs on there were a complete joke. Any GCSE economics student could tear them apart. It was all old protectionist policies about how self-sufficiency and firing up the mines again should be the priorities. There is a reason why these policies were abandoned for the most part in the late 19th century. They came back again when everyone nitted it up during the great depression but since the 20s no developed nation has enacted large scale protectionism.

[Jon MW]

The EDL/BNP/National Front are all just hate groups that call themselves political parties to garner media coverage.

During the last general election campaign I had a look at the BNP website to find out about their economic policies (Nick Griffin had mentioned them on his Question Time appearance) and the few paragraphs on there were a complete joke. Any GCSE economics student could tear them apart. It was all old protectionist policies about how self-sufficiency and firing up the mines again should be the priorities. There is a reason why these policies were abandoned for the most part in the late 19th century. They came back again when everyone nitted it up during the great depression but since the 20s no developed nation has enacted large scale protectionism.

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And I'm assuming this is pretty much what The Camel meant by saying they are not a political party. On paper they are, but in practice that's just a way of not getting themselves banned.  They can never turn away people who are 'basically uneducated' - because they are their raison d'etre.

They serve a useful purpose though - it makes it much easier for the security services to keep an eye on the people who support their ideas.

[MintTrav]

a national newspaper listed a bunch of policies a while back across a full page and asked "would you vote for this party", all very legit very reasonable policies and it turned out to be the BNP....

even though there are a lot of extreme retard policies in some of the far right political groups some of the sentiments they have actually resonate through  large parts of the country....

im not even close to supporting any of the extreme parties but certain parts of the ideals and thought processes are pretty legit and if they were adjusted to be slighty less extreme, would get a shit load of votes if they were made to be the main focus of their campaigns imo

Of course they can blur the situation and get support by highlighting mainstream issues. Some people will be fooled and some will close their eyes to an organisation's main purpose because the issue being addressed is more important to them, just like the IRA gained support in Dublin in the 80s by it's anti-crime "initiatives" and it's involvement in Concerned Parents Against Drugs.

[Doobs]

But the 'thugs' represent a huge part of the country. Maybe not your age or class but so many people I know from school/growin up who are 18-25 fit massively into the stereotype you gave.

They are actually a political party now, like I said in op they have Joined forces with the British freedom party.

Don't get me wrong I don't support them or anything just interested in seeing exactly who follows then and as a community the general intelligence level is very high so was just seeing if any representation really.

I really love to write a book about right wing parties when I'm a little older I do find then really interesting and whilst I'll never support then I've tried to look past the initial common problems to understand then a bit more although I agree at times it's very hard.

Fwiw Keith would you also want the Islamic community who choose to use sharia law to 'get out of your country' too or is it just the hooligan younger English guys?

Please look up sharia law for starters.  It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Of course if you meant the extreme Islamists to leave the country then LDO.   

 

[kinboshi]

Fwiw Keith would you also want the Islamic community who choose to use sharia law to 'get out of your country' too or is it just the hooligan younger English guys?

The Muslims in England aren't English?

Are you actually an EDL sympathiser at heart?

[millidonk]

I'm not a fan of any religion really, but due to going to an RC school as a child and studying the language and culture of Iran as an adult, Islam and Catholicism just happen to be what I know most about.

Without going into a redic amount of detail Sharia doesn't mean one thing, it has so many variations and A LOT of it is down to one person's interpretation, many of the things covered in Sharia weren't remotely touched on in the Quran so it has been left to 'scholars' to make their own rulings and fill in the gaps.

Some rules change if you are Sunni or Shi'a (Sunni follow the word of the Quran a lot more strictly/Shia imo like to use a bit more common sense), it also changes in how it is followed from country to country.

It covers so many different things like diet, hygiene, sex, blood crimes, family dishonour, moral code, all stuff where it would be against your human rights to judge someone on in the UK.

To answer Pleno's point directly; anyone trying to take the law into their own hands, which choosing to follow any part of Sharia which conflicts with UK laws or people's human rights is, then yes they should be punished according to our own laws. Not sure how extradition would work tbh.

Due to some of the poorly written headlines a lot of people seem to think Sharia law is father's just killing their daughters if they have sex before marriage or bring shame on the family etc. It's obv a lot more than that.

Sharia law will never be enforced throughout the whole country and I sincerely hope it is never put into action to just settle the Islamic community's disputes.





 

[rfgqqabc]

Sharia law will never be enforced throughout the whole country and I sincerely hope it is never put into action to just settle the Islamic community's disputes.
 

I hope this is true, it would just lead to more ill feeling and separation in society. A friend of mine has an Asian friend, age 18, who happens to go out with a white girl. The white girls father has a problem, the mother does not. The Asian family have absolutely no problem with the matter whatsoever. Bizarre for a man who has been married for twenty or so years now, to have such a problem, having shown no racist tendencies before now. Crazy how these things work.

As far as the EDL are concerned, they can have a voice, but as long as no physical action is taken, i won't have a problem. Don't like them though.

[discomonkey]

Sharia law will never be enforced throughout the whole country and I sincerely hope it is never put into action to just settle the Islamic community's disputes.
 

I hope this is true, it would just lead to more ill feeling and separation in society. A friend of mine has an Asian friend, age 18, who happens to go out with a white girl. The white girls father has a problem, the mother does not. The Asian family have absolutely no problem with the matter whatsoever. Bizarre for a man who has been married for twenty or so years now, to have such a problem, having shown no racist tendencies before now. Crazy how these things work.

As far as the EDL are concerned, they can have a voice, but as long as no physical action is taken, i won't have a problem. Don't like them though.

if sharia law is ever considered to be brought in ......

[AndrewT]

I understand why you're concerned Karl - I believe in the Koran one of the rules is that you need 900 posts to ask for staking.