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BigArmo
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Re: Holding Kings
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Reply #15 on:
January 16, 2006, 02:07:52 PM »
He may put u on a steal your raise in position against limpers a classic move, but your No 1 problem here is not the preflop or post flop action its that you don't know your opponent, alot of the questions you are asking could be answered if you knew him what box is he in Rock,Aggressive,Loose,Novice.
A good agressive player could have 9 10s there but played them like Aces you flat call his raise(weakness)smells like AK mid pr ?,so a rag flop he fires only a couple of hands you can call with or re raise with so the odds are with him.
I think you must push and hope and what box u put him in will be answered for next time u meet.
Hope i made some sort of sense i can't talk proper grammar like most of the Blondes (not that clever me).
Regards BA
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:10:18 PM »
But why would he take the risk?
If I move-in with queens, kings, or aces, he's just thrown away half his stack unnecessarily.
This is a £30 freezout remember.
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:11:31 PM »
Quote from: BigArmo on January 16, 2006, 02:07:52 PM
He may put u on a steal your raise in position against limpers a classic move,
I don't think I know very many people who think this at the Gala who would think this, never mind act upon it.
Plus, at this level, the table is full of calling stations.
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Phil
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:16:31 PM »
Do you give the player enough credit to be flat calling in early position with a big hand though?
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mikkyT
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:17:18 PM »
What did he have out of interest... or don't you know?
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BigArmo
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:25:37 PM »
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:10:18 PM
But why would he take the risk?
If I move-in with queens, kings, or aces, he's just thrown away half his stack unnecessarily.
This is a £30 freezout remember.
OK hes got JJ 1010 so you raise does he flat call or does he re raise and find out exactly where he is i.e you where stealing and fold,or you go all-in and he knows hes beat and folds so re-raising gives him a better chance of taking the pot there and then.
IMO good players will take bigger risks early on to amass chips ready for the business end plus hes still got enough chips to play if hes folds.
Think about his strong play has got you thinking about folding KK on a rag flop.
BA
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:27:46 PM »
Quote from: BigArmo on January 16, 2006, 02:25:37 PM
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:10:18 PM
But why would he take the risk?
If I move-in with queens, kings, or aces, he's just thrown away half his stack unnecessarily.
This is a £30 freezout remember.
OK hes got JJ 1010 so you raise does he flat call or does he re raise and find out exactly where he is i.e you where stealing and fold,or you go all-in and he knows hes beat and folds so re-raising gives him a better chance of taking the pot there and then.
IMO good players will take bigger risks early on to amass chips ready for the business end plus hes still got enough chips to play if hes folds.
Think about his strong play has got you thinking about folding KK on a rag flop.
BA
I know what he
should
do, but these players don't. They flatcall because they're passive.
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:28:49 PM »
Quote from: Phil on January 16, 2006, 02:16:31 PM
Do you give the player enough credit to be flat calling in early position with a big hand though?
Yes, because limping from early position with aces has become a standard play. It used to be sneaky, but now everyone seems to do it.
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:30:52 PM »
Don't know if it makes a difference, but this guy was about 26 in very casual clothes. I'd not seen him there before. Judging a book by it's cover, he didn't look stupid, but he didn't look like a shark either.
His preflop raise was very quick and confident and when he bet the flop, he was making the odd facial movement whilst gently tapping his finger on his arm.
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:31:56 PM »
Phil.
You're a good Gala player.
Would you make his play with a hand that wasn't AA, KK, or QQ?
starting stack = 6k.
Halved by the flop.
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Bongo
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:36:47 PM »
A lot of these players also think "it's only £30 so if i lose then who cares?" not "it's a freezeout so I can't put half my stack in".
Did he have blonde hair?
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 02:41:25 PM »
Quote from: Bongo on January 16, 2006, 02:36:47 PM
A lot of these players also think "it's only £30 so if i lose then who cares?" not "it's a freezeout so I can't put half my stack in".
Did he have blonde hair?
True, but I made the judgement that this kid didn't want to exit too early.
He had a shaved head, with light brown hair.
So no... he didn't have 4-7
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 03:00:20 PM »
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:11:31 PM
I don't think I know very many people who think this at the Gala who would think this, never mind act upon it.
Plus, at this level, the table is full of calling stations.
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:27:46 PM
I know what he
should
do, but these players don't. They flatcall because they're passive.
But i thought you'd already admitted you had nothing on this person, the way he plays etc etc.
For all you know he is a 7 time WSOP bracelet winner here in the UK on a sight seeing tour and fancied a nice cheap friendly game of poker......
Personally i would reraise all in on the flop - if he has aces or has flopped a set then ho hum at least you know for next time (provided his sight seeing tour lasts more than a week!!
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snoopy1239
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 03:02:38 PM »
Quote from: matt674 on January 16, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:11:31 PM
I don't think I know very many people who think this at the Gala who would think this, never mind act upon it.
Plus, at this level, the table is full of calling stations.
Quote from: snoopy1239 on January 16, 2006, 02:27:46 PM
I know what he
should
do, but these players don't. They flatcall because they're passive.
But i thought you'd already admitted you had nothing on this person, the way he plays etc etc.
I don't. Just guessing and making generalisations.
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The Baron
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Re: Holding Kings
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January 16, 2006, 03:10:25 PM »
Unless it's a very deep stacked tourney, with very small blinds, sometimes AA vs KK (even after seeing a flop) cannot be gotten away from.
Snoop, if you thought "he's got aces" then you wouldn't call with KK pre flop. Now that you have it's going in surely?
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