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It's a cadence. Coded language to change the play, and to tell the centre when to snap the ball. A much more complicated variant of the line out codes used in Rugby Union.
In hostile grounds, the home fans will try to generate as much noise as possible to disrupt this, which means that teams have to resort to a 'silent count' and the timing/co-ordiination of the members of the O-line becomes more critical.
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Quote from: tikay on January 13, 2013, 01:07:10 PM
No laughing at the idiocy of this question, but.......
Just before the "snap", the QB shouts all sorts of stuff, in Kap's case, it seems to me, in a deep husky voice. Are those coded play instructions?
In the Ravens - Broncos game, all I kept hearing was "hurry hurry hurry". Who was saying that, & why?
It is a signal to which of the various plays they're going to make from their big playbook. Some of the signals will be to change the play mid-call, if the QB thinks there's a gap somewhere and a Plan B is a good idea.
You get this in rugby lineouts, too, albeit less flamboyantly.
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January 13, 2013, 01:22:32 PM »
Thanks guys.
Did I mis-hear the repeated "hurry hurry hurry" in the Ravens Broncos game?
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January 13, 2013, 01:25:24 PM »
in its basic form it is so the D are not sure when you are going to snap it. When the play clock is running down, if you get to 1 second left then the D know you are going to snap it there. So ideally you want to snap it prior to that to keep them guessing. The number they shout out are along the lines of the QB will call the play in the huddle and then give a number to snap the ball on....say it is 13. To keep the D guessing and instead of just shouting 'snap', he then shouts out a set of numbers which they could snap the ball on, so if the number is 13 he might go 24...36....15.13 and when he gets to 13 the players on O know that's the snap call.
The shouting in the Denver game might have come from the Denver centre. Manning is known for changing plays at the line when he see's what formation the D are set in. Part of the centres job( he is the guy that snaps the ball between his legs is to make the QB aware if the play clock reaches a certain number to make sure he doesn't run out of time. So it could be that when it gets to say 5 seconds the centre will shout hurry for each second down to zero. Not all teams use that tho, they just allow the QB to be aware of the play clock but you saw on a few occasions how Flacco ran out of time or the sideline had to call a timeout so the play clock didn't expire. It could just have been Manning tho if he was moving players to different positions pre snap.
The ones they shout using words are usually the audibles( changing the play from what he called to a new one now he has seen the D formation) so if he shouts green 23 or red 10, that will be the code name for a play in their play book, John Gruden was known for having a huge amount of plays in his play book when he coached. You would hear things like 'x double grey 34 wide'...I made that one up by the way.
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January 13, 2013, 01:27:40 PM »
Thanks Phil.
Must be the occasional monumental misunderstanding.
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I was at the NFL Forum in Leeds earlier this week (made it onto the TV in last night's show too!) and Mark Brunell (ex-NFL QB) gave a good example of this from his time as backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans.
Quite often you hear QB's shout "Kill, kill" in their cadence. He said the Saints used this differently to other teams he'd been with prior to then. In the huddle, Brees would give them 2 plays, instead of one. When he shouts "Kill, kill" it's an instruction to the offence to switch to the 2nd play called, rather than the first.
Every team will have their own code and, as Phil says, it's designed to confuse the defence.
Here's an example (from painful memory) from last season. Bills are facing 4th and 1 with a 7 point lead in the final two minutes. Getting a 1st down here wins them the game. The play they call here is basically a "no-play". He's just going to bark out a series of numbers and try to get someone on the Eagles D-line to jump offside (5yd penalty, 1st down). Everyone in the stadium and on TV knew this, except Juqua Parker!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822f90cb/Parker-s-penalty-on-4th-down-seals-Eagles-loss
Edit: They can do this for the entire play clock count. If it fails, they just call timeout and try something different.
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deffo, the funniest ones are the interceptions when the wr should run one way, the QB throws it where he knows the wr should be breaking but the wr has gone the other way. There is usually a lot of shoulder shrugging and the odd' what play were we runniing' type convo's
There was a strange scenario in Detroit this season with a wr called Titus Young who who it seems might have had some head trouble or some other problems but he was deliberately lining up in the wrong position to try and force the QB to throw the ball to him. The club actually put him on injured reserve for the season and sent him home. It could actually have been that he was ill but it shows how important it is to know all the plays and where you need to be at all times.
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Quote from: Sheriff Fatman on January 13, 2013, 01:41:55 PM
I was at the NFL Forum in Leeds earlier this week (made it onto the TV in last night's show too!) and Mark Brunell (ex-NFL QB) gave a good example of this from his time as backup to Drew Brees in New Orleans.
Quite often you hear QB's shout "Kill, kill" in their cadence. He said the Saints used this differently to other teams he'd been with prior to then. In the huddle, Brees would give them 2 plays, instead of one. When he shouts "Kill, kill" it's an instruction to the offence to switch to the 2nd play called, rather than the first.
Every team will have their own code and, as Phil says, it's designed to confuse the defence.
Here's an example (from painful memory) from last season. Bills are facing 4th and 1 with a 7 point lead in the final two minutes. Getting a 1st down here wins them the game. The play they call here is basically a "no-play". He's just going to bark out a series of numbers and try to get someone on the Eagles D-line to jump offside (5yd penalty, 1st down). Everyone in the stadium and on TV knew this, except Juqua Parker!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d822f90cb/Parker-s-penalty-on-4th-down-seals-Eagles-loss
Edit: They can do this for the entire play clock count. If it fails, they just call timeout and try something different.
Funnily enough, that's my favourite example.
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Manning shouts Hurry Hurry Hurry everytime.
A lot of them shout White Eighty or White Nine I think. Andy Luck just screams noises at the top of his lungs.
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Eli shouts "Omaha, omaha"
Sounds like he's calling lil Dave and the boys round his place for a spot of 6 card action.
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How good is Reinbold?
the best Sky studio guest by far
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Does he remind anyone else of another sky pundit?
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How good is Reinbold?
the best Sky studio guest by far
pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters
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I really like listening to him too.
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Quote from: bobby1 on January 13, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
How good is Reinbold?
the best Sky studio guest by far
pregnant squirrels, red headed stepchildren, muscled hamsters
top stuff, and really good on the Xs and 0s too
I really like listening to him too.
+1 Far and away the best analyst.
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Quote from: TightEnd on January 13, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
How good is Reinbold?
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He did a really good explanation of the option read at the forum on Wednesday.
At the end, he practically had tears in his eyes as he was speaking, such was his passion for the game.
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