WCOOP and Online sweat thread

[The Camel]

Camel I have a great deal of respect for you and agree with you on a lot of things but you have totally lost the plot on this.

Stars is providing a service the poker playing community want and are charging a fair rake for it. The structures allow more play yeah, if you don't like that they are offer other series with different buyins (scoop, micromillions) and different speed (TCOOP).

There are numerous things in the poker community that are a charade, WCOOP would be near the bottom of a very long list.

Stars is the best online poker site by a hundred million miles.

I think we can all agree with that.

I leave you boys to play WCOOP while I just played the best value live tournament (UKIPT Newcastle) I've played in England for quite a long while.

See you Saturday ?

Yes, Ray, see you there.

I somehow failed to piss away my entire double average stack in the last 30 minutes.

Only 3/4 of it

[Doobs]

WCOOP is a charade really, invented out of nothing by Pokerstars to become a rake creating monster. Hats off to them for making so many people fall for it!

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In what way is it a charade?

Because it is no different to any other online tournament.

It would be like knitting two jumpers, selling one at the market for £3 and the other one at Laura Aslhey under the lixury range for £99.

They are called two different things, but are exactly the same only one costs loads more than the other.

Terrible example. Expect a lot better from you.

Obviously its different- it provides some added value in the form of a bracelet and player of series etc- it has bigger guarantees than the regular comps, and has a "better" structure than the regular comps. And costs exactly the same

You are miles off on this one imo

If they added money instead of increasing guarantees (which they meet with ease), then I'd say you had a point.

I don't think a crappy bracelet which could be valued at about tuppence happeny or a player of the series award which is worth about $2 per player is "added value" in a realistic meaning of the phrase.

Structures, schmuctures. It just takes an extra 3 hours for me to do my money, whop de whop.

The only possible way these are better than the normal tournaments is because bad players are "taking a shot" in games much bigger than they usually play in or have won a seat - (people who have bought into the myth of the Emperors new clothes that WCOOP is a special series)

But this is offset by every online genius in the world playing the series.

There is a PLO8 tournament today which has 555 entries and a $150k guarantee .  The nightly $100 PLO8 tournament gets 40 or so and has a $3k guarantee.  In only one of these tournaments do the majority of entrants have a clue.  

WCOOP attracts players into games they would never normally play, and as such must be a goldmine for the small population of regs in the daily game.

So wish I could have played it.

I am with you on ultra slow structures though.

[The Camel]

People - we are very close here to the two shrewdest men in all of Christendom (Dubai and The Camel)  being on the opposite sides of a bet.

This will mark the end of days - hold your loved ones close for I know not what the future will bring.

Or if every poster can't be Dubai, they could be AndrewT.

I bet he isn't as funny IRL.

Were you the Poker Bastard?

[The Camel]

WCOOP is a charade really, invented out of nothing by Pokerstars to become a rake creating monster. Hats off to them for making so many people fall for it!

?? ?? ?? ??

In what way is it a charade?

Because it is no different to any other online tournament.

It would be like knitting two jumpers, selling one at the market for £3 and the other one at Laura Aslhey under the lixury range for £99.

They are called two different things, but are exactly the same only one costs loads more than the other.

Terrible example. Expect a lot better from you.

Obviously its different- it provides some added value in the form of a bracelet and player of series etc- it has bigger guarantees than the regular comps, and has a "better" structure than the regular comps. And costs exactly the same

You are miles off on this one imo

If they added money instead of increasing guarantees (which they meet with ease), then I'd say you had a point.

I don't think a crappy bracelet which could be valued at about tuppence happeny or a player of the series award which is worth about $2 per player is "added value" in a realistic meaning of the phrase.

Structures, schmuctures. It just takes an extra 3 hours for me to do my money, whop de whop.

The only possible way these are better than the normal tournaments is because bad players are "taking a shot" in games much bigger than they usually play in or have won a seat - (people who have bought into the myth of the Emperors new clothes that WCOOP is a special series)

But this is offset by every online genius in the world playing the series.

There is a PLO8 tournament today which has 555 entries and a $150k guarantee .  The nightly $100 PLO8 tournament gets 40 or so and has a $3k guarantee.  In only one of these tournaments do the majority of entrants have a clue.  

WCOOP attracts players into games they would never normally play, and as such must be a goldmine for the small population of regs in the daily game.

So wish I could have played it.

I am with you on ultra slow structures though.

This is an excellent point.

I wish I could play the silly up and down sort of games.

[AndrewT]

People - we are very close here to the two shrewdest men in all of Christendom (Dubai and The Camel)  being on the opposite sides of a bet.

This will mark the end of days - hold your loved ones close for I know not what the future will bring.

Or if every poster can't be Dubai, they could be AndrewT.

I bet he isn't as funny IRL.

Were you the Poker Bastard?

No, you're not swerving that.

'The Camel is the Poker Bastard' is my favourite of the old school internet poker rumours.

[Ironside]

People - we are very close here to the two shrewdest men in all of Christendom (Dubai and The Camel)  being on the opposite sides of a bet.

This will mark the end of days - hold your loved ones close for I know not what the future will bring.

Or if every poster can't be Dubai, they could be AndrewT.

I bet he isn't as funny IRL.

Were you the Poker Bastard?

i can confirm he isnt as funny IRL infact he he nearly as boring as tikay

[LonOhRay]

Don't see how anyone can dislike WCOOP, SCOOP etc?


The normal MTTs get huge spike in numbers, Big 109, Big 55, 20c etc etc down to the $5 scheduled turbos become massive.

The sats that run are soft and are a gold mine if they're your game.

Even the hyper's get good and 3.5ks pop off with regularity towards the end of the series. - 1M VPP months for the hyper guys.

Fields are softer all over.

Everyday have opportunity to play things with 6 figs ftw.

There is a tiny bit of prestige with winning one - bracelet or w/e winning a Wcoop is still pretty 'kool' imo.

Variety given to the grinders who are stuck with same schedule week in week out.

Recreational players look forward to depositing their $215 and playing a "WCOOP" rather than a big 109 and a ho 75 they could play any day.

PLO, PLO8, stud and all other variations draw huge fields, comparatively, for their discipline and garner interest from people who would never normally play/entertain the games.

Structures are very good.

The 'sickos' come out of the woodwork and move for the month to play WCOOP, Gboro etc makes for some good rails for the fan boys.



Can't see many negatives

[skolsuper]

Can see where camel's coming from re: the false 'prestige' that the corporate entities inject into things like this to get the punters buying in, but in the end it does provide bigger, softer tournaments that would not be sustainable if run week in week out. Award 8 of those buckets of camel crap to Doyle Brunson in year 1 btw and I can see those CRAPS awards catching on

[railtard1]

Don't see how anyone can dislike WCOOP, SCOOP etc?


The normal MTTs get huge spike in numbers, Big 109, Big 55, 20c etc etc down to the $5 scheduled turbos become massive.

The sats that run are soft and are a gold mine if they're your game.

Even the hyper's get good and 3.5ks pop off with regularity towards the end of the series. - 1M VPP months for the hyper guys.

Fields are softer all over.

Everyday have opportunity to play things with 6 figs ftw.

There is a tiny bit of prestige with winning one - bracelet or w/e winning a Wcoop is still pretty 'kool' imo.

Variety given to the grinders who are stuck with same schedule week in week out.

Recreational players look forward to depositing their $215 and playing a "WCOOP" rather than a big 109 and a ho 75 they could play any day.

PLO, PLO8, stud and all other variations draw huge fields, comparatively, for their discipline and garner interest from people who would never normally play/entertain the games.

Structures are very good.

The 'sickos' come out of the woodwork and move for the month to play WCOOP, Gboro etc makes for some good rails for the fan boys.



Can't see many negatives

yeh nice post.

Its not just the wcoop comps that are good, its the volume of players online over wcoop making all other tornys so much bigger, making it a great time for all grinders, no matter what stakes you play.

Altho some of what camel said has sense, wcoop is great and loved by most. It is basically 3 weeks of sundays :-) which like james said, couldnt be sustained week in week out.

glgl wcoop erry1

[The Camel]

Can see where camel's coming from re: the false 'prestige' that the corporate entities inject into things like this to get the punters buying in, but in the end it does provide bigger, softer tournaments that would not be sustainable if run week in week out. Award 8 of those buckets of camel crap to Doyle Brunson in year 1 btw and I can see those CRAPS awards catching on

Backstory to Doyle Brunson hate?

[The Camel]

Don't see how anyone can dislike WCOOP, SCOOP etc?


The normal MTTs get huge spike in numbers, Big 109, Big 55, 20c etc etc down to the $5 scheduled turbos become massive.

The sats that run are soft and are a gold mine if they're your game.

Even the hyper's get good and 3.5ks pop off with regularity towards the end of the series. - 1M VPP months for the hyper guys.

Fields are softer all over.

Everyday have opportunity to play things with 6 figs ftw.

There is a tiny bit of prestige with winning one - bracelet or w/e winning a Wcoop is still pretty 'kool' imo.

Variety given to the grinders who are stuck with same schedule week in week out.

Recreational players look forward to depositing their $215 and playing a "WCOOP" rather than a big 109 and a ho 75 they could play any day.

PLO, PLO8, stud and all other variations draw huge fields, comparatively, for their discipline and garner interest from people who would never normally play/entertain the games.

Structures are very good.

The 'sickos' come out of the woodwork and move for the month to play WCOOP, Gboro etc makes for some good rails for the fan boys.



Can't see many negatives

yeh nice post.

Its not just the wcoop comps that are good, its the volume of players online over wcoop making all other tornys so much bigger, making it a great time for all grinders, no matter what stakes you play.

Altho some of what camel said has sense, wcoop is great and loved by most. It is basically 3 weeks of sundays :-) which like james said, couldnt be sustained week in week out.

glgl wcoop erry1

Fair enough, some good points.

I was a bit drunk when I posted all this last night (OK, very drunk).

The point I was trying to make is that just because Pokerstars calls it a World Championship, doesn't mean it's anything other than a series of big buyin online tournaments.

I honestly doubt that in holdem the EV for the best players is more than fractionally increased, as every good player in the world is playing these.

For the weirdo tournaments, I don't doubt this a great series.

GL everyone, hope you win plenty of meltdownable gold.

[railtard1]

Don't see how anyone can dislike WCOOP, SCOOP etc?


The normal MTTs get huge spike in numbers, Big 109, Big 55, 20c etc etc down to the $5 scheduled turbos become massive.

The sats that run are soft and are a gold mine if they're your game.

Even the hyper's get good and 3.5ks pop off with regularity towards the end of the series. - 1M VPP months for the hyper guys.

Fields are softer all over.

Everyday have opportunity to play things with 6 figs ftw.

There is a tiny bit of prestige with winning one - bracelet or w/e winning a Wcoop is still pretty 'kool' imo.

Variety given to the grinders who are stuck with same schedule week in week out.

Recreational players look forward to depositing their $215 and playing a "WCOOP" rather than a big 109 and a ho 75 they could play any day.

PLO, PLO8, stud and all other variations draw huge fields, comparatively, for their discipline and garner interest from people who would never normally play/entertain the games.

Structures are very good.

The 'sickos' come out of the woodwork and move for the month to play WCOOP, Gboro etc makes for some good rails for the fan boys.



Can't see many negatives

yeh nice post.

Its not just the wcoop comps that are good, its the volume of players online over wcoop making all other tornys so much bigger, making it a great time for all grinders, no matter what stakes you play.

Altho some of what camel said has sense, wcoop is great and loved by most. It is basically 3 weeks of sundays :-) which like james said, couldnt be sustained week in week out.

glgl wcoop erry1

Fair enough, some good points.

I was a bit drunk when I posted all this last night (OK, very drunk).

The point I was trying to make is that just because Pokerstars calls it a World Championship, doesn't mean it's anything other than a series of big buyin online tournaments.

I honestly doubt that in holdem the EV for the best players is more than fractionally increased, as every good player in the world is playing these.

For the weirdo tournaments, I don't doubt this a great series.

GL everyone, hope you win plenty of meltdownable gold.

ive gone for a run good avatar keith, have u seen it?

[The Camel]

Don't see how anyone can dislike WCOOP, SCOOP etc?


The normal MTTs get huge spike in numbers, Big 109, Big 55, 20c etc etc down to the $5 scheduled turbos become massive.

The sats that run are soft and are a gold mine if they're your game.

Even the hyper's get good and 3.5ks pop off with regularity towards the end of the series. - 1M VPP months for the hyper guys.

Fields are softer all over.

Everyday have opportunity to play things with 6 figs ftw.

There is a tiny bit of prestige with winning one - bracelet or w/e winning a Wcoop is still pretty 'kool' imo.

Variety given to the grinders who are stuck with same schedule week in week out.

Recreational players look forward to depositing their $215 and playing a "WCOOP" rather than a big 109 and a ho 75 they could play any day.

PLO, PLO8, stud and all other variations draw huge fields, comparatively, for their discipline and garner interest from people who would never normally play/entertain the games.

Structures are very good.

The 'sickos' come out of the woodwork and move for the month to play WCOOP, Gboro etc makes for some good rails for the fan boys.



Can't see many negatives

yeh nice post.

Its not just the wcoop comps that are good, its the volume of players online over wcoop making all other tornys so much bigger, making it a great time for all grinders, no matter what stakes you play.

Altho some of what camel said has sense, wcoop is great and loved by most. It is basically 3 weeks of sundays :-) which like james said, couldnt be sustained week in week out.

glgl wcoop erry1

Fair enough, some good points.

I was a bit drunk when I posted all this last night (OK, very drunk).

The point I was trying to make is that just because Pokerstars calls it a World Championship, doesn't mean it's anything other than a series of big buyin online tournaments.

I honestly doubt that in holdem the EV for the best players is more than fractionally increased, as every good player in the world is playing these.

For the weirdo tournaments, I don't doubt this a great series.

GL everyone, hope you win plenty of meltdownable gold.

ive gone for a run good avatar keith, have u seen it?

Scared to look.

[titaniumbean]

I saw the avatar yesterday, it's great rofl


<3 Camel

[The Camel]

I saw the avatar yesterday, it's great rofl


<3 Camel

It'll cause run bad, not run good.

Marc will be broke before the end of WCOOP, mark my words.