tourney ruling what would you do?

[atdc21]

would appreciate thoughts on what ruling should be made on this hand/scenario.
live casino tourney, blinds 3k/6k
player a bets 14k player b (sb) calls, player c (bb) folds.
the dealer now collects all folded cards in and starts to shuffle them with all the other cards, OOOOPS
what and why should happen now.

[david3103]

Hand is void, all bets returned
Button stays in place?

[rfgqqabc]

Hand is void, all bets returned
Button stays in place?

This

[JK]

Hand continues with the deck reconstructed as best as possible, ie, if any cards were exposed on the deal or as people folded, they should be removed. The hand continues as normal.

[dakky]

Hand continues with the deck reconstructed as best as possible, ie, if any cards were exposed on the deal or as people folded, they should be removed. The hand continues as normal.

This; if they both still have their hole cards what is the difference if folded cards are added back to the deck. I suppose there is a tiny card removal effect of folded cards in that they are in theory debatabley more weighted to lower cards than high cards, but this is negligible.

[atdc21]

ty 4 replies.
no cards could be identified at all, they had all been well and truly mixed together, i thought the hand should continue as there had been action. see if we get any more replies then will post what happened.

[atdc21]

the 2 callers still have there cards

[CHIPPYMAN]

the 2 callers still have there cards

How much they playing for ? If it's a £15 FO , just reshuffle ..
Button stayed were it was n deal against . If its a bigger comp, sorry
can't answer that . Let's the TD decide

[Cf]

Erm.

My gut would say just let the hand carry on and use the new deck.

Just gone and looked it up:

17. If the deck stub gets fouled for some reason, such as the dealer believing the deal is over and dropping the deck, the deal must still be played out, and the deck reconstituted in as fair a way as possible.

[Honeybadger]

I remember a while back playing in a cash game, there was a raise and five people called. The dealer made as if to deal the flop and then apparently thought better of it, dropped the deck on to the discards and started to shimmy (sp?) them together. I had been playing poker for years by then, yet had never seen this happen before and was a little surprised. Not the dealer though... he simply rolled his eyes and called out to the card room manager, "Arnie! It's happened again!"

[MC]

I remember years ago playing in a cash game - there was a raise and five people called. The dealer made as if to deal the flop and then apparently thought better of it, dropped the deck on to the discards and started to shimmy (sp?) them together. I had never seen this happen before and was a little surprised. Not the dealer though... he simply rolled his eyes and called out to the card room manager, "Arnie! It's happened again!"

Lolz

[Honeybadger]

There's also that old T J Cloutier story which he used to repeat all the time in his (not very good) books back in the day:

He was in a cash game and had TT. He raised, opponent reraised, one caller, Cloutier all-in, opponent all-in. The third player showed the other TT face up and folded. Cloutier's opponent had KK.

Then the dealer dropped the deck on the discards by accident, and the ruling was that they all had to be shuffled in together before the board was dealt, which meant the two Tens were back in the deck. The board ran out something like K 5 T 6 ... T. Pretty sick for the guy with KK!!

[atdc21]

chippyman, personally i cant see what the buy in has to do with the decision.
heres what happened and i just cant see its correct.
the bb didnt get his chips back as he was deemed to have folded before any wrong doing occurred, then the other 2 players in the hand still with cards split the bb (6k) up between them. and no further cards dealt. button moved on to next hand.

[Cf]

chippyman, personally i cant see what the buy in has to do with the decision.
heres what happened and i just cant see its correct.
the bb didnt get his chips back as he was deemed to have folded before any wrong doing occurred, then the other 2 players in the hand still with cards split the bb (6k) up between them. and no further cards dealt. button moved on to next hand.

Worst ruling that could be given.

Pots should NEVER be split unless at showdown with identical hands.

[Cf]

There's also that old T J Cloutier story which he used to repeat all the time in his (not very good) books back in the day:

He was in a cash game and had TT. He raised, opponent reraised, one caller, Cloutier all-in, opponent all-in. The third player showed the other TT face up and folded. Cloutier's opponent had KK.

Then the dealer dropped the deck on the discards by accident, and the ruling was that they all had to be shuffled in together before the board was dealt, which meant the two Tens were back in the deck. The board ran out something like K 5 T 6 ... T. Pretty sick for the guy with KK!!

And that's just sick lol