DTD - Beginners Tournament

[smashedagain]

Hi Warren.

I spoke to DTD who tell me there's an email reply on its way to you, addressing the concerns with some stats for you

Interested to know if that helps you

See you soon

It helped very much now I have recieved the reply and stats in question!

Embarrased to say the least, and as a result declined there very kind goodwill gesture.

Cliffs for all-

4 players played over £50 or over tournaments ( the new threshold) of which I was one of them, due to an appearance in a grand prix I'd forgotten about!

Very red faced and embarrased now!

(I'll be honest didn't want to be honest now I know, but is only fair I'm shown up on this occasion!!

Lol. Don't be embarrassed by this as these things happen to us all. Hope your mates give Dtd another shot after reading this

[zerofive]

One problem with the £50 buyin rule is that back when DTD used to run a £15+5 and a £50+6 with the latter starting half an hour later, sometimes beginners would bust out of the £15 and give the £50 a shot because they weren't ready to call it a night. Nothing to do with ability, simply not wanting to go home yet because they were out for a night of entertainment. I think back when they used to run the beginner's comp, you had 3 "strikes" in the £50 comp, which allowed for the one or two times these players had moved over to the £50 after an early exit, without punishing genuine beginners who just wanted a one-off punt.

My experience from dealing beginner's tournaments and freerolls is that the dealers need to be more relaxed when it comes to mistakes made from obvious beginners (string bets, out of turn actions, etc) so that it isn't a horrifying and daunting experience. And as painful as it is as a member of staff who needs any sort of stimulation to help them grind out the shift, it is really important for the future of the game to ensure that the place doesn't feel cliquey.

I know Dusk have been working very hard to bring in a pool of new players. The smaller cash games idea didn't go down well, but the reintroduction of this tournament is a great idea. Well done Simon and Rob.

Warren I hope your friends won't be put off by their one-off experience, and I hope the restrictions in place are just relaxed enough to allow you to keep bringing them back.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh perhaps tell the dealers and floor staff to a bit more friendly and lenient with newcomers with the string bet and other such rules. Obviously the rules have to be there, but they can be explained in a friendlier way and perhaps if discretion and common sensed was used a bit more it'd be less daunting an experience for them.

[The Lad]

Yeh perhaps tell the dealers and floor staff to a bit more friendly and lenient with newcomers with the string bet and other such rules. Obviously the rules have to be there, but they can be explained in a friendlier way and perhaps if discretion and common sensed was used a bit more it'd be less daunting an experience for them.

maybe they should ask beginners to be seated/turn up say 15/20mins before the comp starts where they can be given  a fact sheet on the do's and do not's at the table and have a dealer available to answer any question's/queries the new player may have?
 sure if the new players feel like they are being given help on what to do and not what to do before they sit down and play they will get a better experience, rather than just being told in game that they that are not doing things correctly and getting penalized or feeling embarrassed about making mistakes?

[Waz1892]

One player in the night kept getting picked up on it, so Defo dealers be a bit more flexi, that said must be hard for them as they are drilled it to ensure everything is perfect.

So to "untrain" that isn't easy to be fair.

I will show my friends this and I'm sure they'll be back. I just won't play!!

[robyong]

I think its important that this tournamant is for genuine novices/beginners, NOT experienced players that can only afford £10. I am confident that the £50 restriction will eliminate these initial problems, although I know the £25 restriction definatley will, so that's my preference, but I know Nick is right on top of this issue. We havn't marketed the Beginner comp yet, when we are happy with the format we will market it to all players in our Poker League and I am sure existing members will start to bring their mate/mrs when it gets up and running, we got our £10 Thursday Beginner up to 100+ players a few years ago but with the introduction of the £15 comps, it faded away which was a miskake on our part, as many new players came through this route and are DTD regulars now.

I would say we will prob do this twice a week if the Beginner goes above 60+ runners, I think it works better at 30 ish runners as I think the players more attention/looking after, the emphasis on teaching new players the rules rather than enforcing them. DTD can be a daunting place on your first visit, I think its the open plan of the card room that sometimes intimidates first timers, for sure, we dont want the club to come accross like that.

I will have a word with Danny about general etiquette towards players in the comp.

Cheers Rob

[LonOhRay]

Like the ideas ^

Especially about rules sheet/ q/a 15 mins before.

Get the dealers to encourage questions before play starts and during - after a hand has finished obv.

[Jon MW]

The Vic used to have a good beginners tournament - it helped that the staff and regulars were friendly to newbies - but one idea they had which could be used was that the beginners tournament was a satellite to the evening tournament.

So if it's £20 entry and there's a £60 evening tournament you get 1 in 3 beginners winning and having the choice as to whether to keep the money or play in the evening. But also because the prize money is limited to £60 it discourages the more experienced players to participate (even more than the £20 entry).

[Cf]

Yeh perhaps tell the dealers and floor staff to a bit more friendly and lenient with newcomers with the string bet and other such rules. Obviously the rules have to be there, but they can be explained in a friendlier way and perhaps if discretion and common sensed was used a bit more it'd be less daunting an experience for them.

maybe they should ask beginners to be seated/turn up say 15/20mins before the comp starts where they can be given  a fact sheet on the do's and do not's at the table and have a dealer available to answer any question's/queries the new player may have?

They're there to play poker and have a fun evening, not receive a lecture. Talk to them for 20 minutes and they might not have a clue what you're on about.

The best way is to learn by playing.

[Matt.NFFC.]

I expect I was one of the 4 that entered the beginner comp that, according to DTD, maybe I shouldn't.

I played in this as I very much regard myself as a beginner as it was only my 6 or 7th live tournament in 3 years (I think).  DTD is the only place I have ever played live and I get to go about once every 6 months.

I played 1 tournament over £50 when DTD first opened as, at that time, I had a few quid and didn't have any kids....the other tourneys have been either the £15 or £25 ones.  I'm gutted that this one tournament I played in has now knackered me from playing this.  Unfortunately the £25 + 6 is a bit much for me at the moment.

I fully understand that DTD has to draw the line somewhere to ensure only beginners play.  I also noted that some in this tournament I have seen there before, and I knew they weren't beginners.

As someone who can only get 2 or 3 times a year due to work, and the kids etc, DTD can be a daunting place and I still shake like an idiot when I play.  Don't let your experience put you off as the more you go the easier it gets.

I like the sound of limiting it to those who have not cashed in a £50 plus tournament as it means I can play, but I get that the tournament has to be mainly for players new to the game.

[blueace]

 If your shaking, nervous or intimidated I suggest another hobby!

[Woodsey]

If your shaking, nervous or intimidated I suggest another hobby!

Bollocks, I was like that the first few times I played live poker.

[cambridgealex]

If your shaking, nervous or intimidated I suggest another hobby!

Bollocks, I was like that the first few times I played live poker.

same

[smashedagain]

If your shaking, nervous or intimidated I suggest another hobby!

Bollocks, I was like that the first few times I played live poker.

same

I still see some of the best players in the game shaking at times,

[kinboshi]

If your shaking, nervous or intimidated I suggest another hobby!

Bollocks, I was like that the first few times I played live poker.

same

I still see some of the best players in the game shaking at times,

Talking about tikay?  Bit harsh...