English Poker Open/GUKPT London

[leethefish]

If you've got a stream, and you are letting people phone a friend, just put the stream up on a screen in the card room (on delay, obviously).

This is a most sensible idea

No dispute or argument to that.

I agree level playing field as should be !

So you would also say its grossly unfair for me to talk to great poker minds on the breaks and discuss strategy yes?

It's not the same obviously ......they wouldn't of seen your opponents hole cards.

[George2Loose]

obviously ok to get updates from people, the streamers and not the opportunists should be the ones taking the brunt of any eithical concerns that arise.

This. Not doing it is giving an advantage to those who are

[jack2off]

I definitely wasn't.

[jack2off]

If you've got a stream, and you are letting people phone a friend, just put the stream up on a screen in the card room (on delay, obviously).

This is a most sensible idea

No dispute or argument to that.

In the Million $ drop, didnt all players agree to show their hands face up if they were in the hand, to stop people texting etc! seems fair that!

[smashedagain]

obviously ok to get updates from people, the streamers and not the opportunists should be the ones taking the brunt of any eithical concerns that arise.

This. Not doing it is giving an advantage to those who are

Yeah everytime I see someone cheating I cheat too 
You know a bunch of guys are colluding so would you do the same with your mates?
It's a wide sweeping statement but I agree you need to be looking for advantages, but unfair advantages are another dilemma.

[Boba Fett]

We've had this arguement before. Deffo nothing wrong with having friends watch the stream. Not his fault or problem if someone else at the table doesn't have mates that can watch it or chooses not to ask someone for the info. Likening it to cheating or being unethical is completely ridiculous

[SolarCarro]

We've had this arguement before. Deffo nothing wrong with having friends watch the stream. Not his fault or problem if someone else at the table doesn't have mates that can watch it or chooses not to ask someone for the info. Likening it to cheating or being unethical is completely ridiculous

Agree

It's not unethical, it is using ALL the information available

Man City knew they had to score twice in stoppage time as the Man U game had finished, it wasn't unethical for them to seek that info, the games kicked off together to ensure fairness, they used info freely available to them.

[tikay]

To clarify, as it was me who started this debate, which I now almost wish I had not.

It is not an argument, I simply asked James a polite question. James is a good friend, he & I can discuss these things openly, & I think the question was fair.

James would not "cheat" in a million years, & I never suggested as such.

"Unethical"? Not quite sure if it is, or not, but that was not my point.

It just "feels" a bit dirty to me. There may be some Billy No Mates at the Table, or those who do not have the advantage of a bunch of onside friends on blonde to ask.

It is certainly not cheating, & it is apparently well within the rules, or at least the letter of them, if not the spirit.

It just seems to me that poker was not intended to be played this way, with players at the table frantically Posting on assorted Forums in an attempt to gain an edge. Where will that end, with some players having their own dedicated "stream spy" to relay them info?

Perhaps fairer is if all the players can watch the delayed stream, everyone has the same info then.

I suppose it's a generation gap thing, which I readily concede, as I am approaching my dotage, whereas James is merely late middle-aged.   

[MC]

obviously ok to get updates from people, the streamers and not the opportunists should be the ones taking the brunt of any eithical concerns that arise.

This. Not doing it is giving an advantage to those who are

These

[tikay]

obviously ok to get updates from people, the streamers and not the opportunists should be the ones taking the brunt of any eithical concerns that arise.

This. Not doing it is giving an advantage to those who are

Correctamondo. And a disadvantage to those who don't.

It is the system, or organisers, that has thrown up this anomoly, not the players.

[leethefish]

Exactly what I was trying to get out in my post tikay I just have trouble in getting my point accross

[tikay]

Exactly what I was trying to get out in my post tikay I just have trouble in getting my point accross

Evidently I do, too, judging by a rather acerbic PM I had about it!

Anyway, concensus seems to suggest it is fine & dandy, so there it is.

[MANTIS01]

Do you get kicked out of comp for not showing cards to camera?

[tikay]

Do you get kicked out of comp for not showing cards to camera?

I'd not allow the camera to see my cards. Stops Seat 2 from asking his mate back home what I had.

There'd be quite a hoohah if they tried to disqualify me because I refused to let the camera see my hand.

The disruption caused to players, & play, during the WSOP main by ESPN is incredibly bad, & the players don't get a penny of recompense. Bang wrong, that, but every year, the players dutifully go along with it. It is part of the T & C's, of course, but there'd be a barney & a half if Billy Big Name (say, Little Danny) got disqualified for not showing. Camel might agree though..... 

[Skippy]

Do you get kicked out of comp for not showing cards to camera?

I'd not allow the camera to see my cards. Stops Seat 2 from asking his mate back home what I had.

There'd be quite a hoohah if they tried to disqualify me because I refused to let the camera see my hand.

The disruption caused to players, & play, during the WSOP main by ESPN is incredibly bad, & the players don't get a penny of recompense. Bang wrong, that, but every year, the players dutifully go along with it. It is part of the T & C's, of course, but there'd be a barney & a half if Billy Big Name (say, Little Danny) got disqualified for not showing. Camel might agree though..... 

I'm not sure I agree- at the end of the day, you know about it before you enter the tournament. I had to show on my Sky final table. Plus you could argue that having cards up poker on TV is good for the game, and so if you are a good player, it is good for you.