Standard float turns into something else. Dtd£150

[LB44]

Ok so we're sat on 42,000 @ 600/1200.  80 players left and we get moved to a new table and I don't recognise anybody and I'm the only one under 30.

1st hand I'm in the hijack however the button isn't in his seat so I'm the button basically. Folded round to cutoff who is playing 38,500 and he opens for 2,500.
I look down at AhQh .
I just flat...arguments for raising yes, but no info on villan in position so decide to play with caution.
Blinds fold.
Flop Kh4c4s

Villan leads for 3500
I call...

[LB44]

Ok let's get to the interesting part...

Turn is 10d

Villan checks, so I fully expect my bet of 5,400 to take the pot down there and then as I felt any pairs he had he was check giving up on the turn if his hand didnt contain a King.
So after a long dwell and the re check hand before what I though was going to be a muck, he calls.

What range do we put him on now??

[discomonkey]

1. as described you are the cutoff and he is the hijack, not the other way around, the cutoff is the seat directly to the right of the button
2. his range is probably weaker/medium kings and pairs between 55 and qq
3. if you think you can get him to fold a lot of this range otr (based on the card that peels off, chips behind etc) then go ahead and bet when checked to, if you do not think he is likely to fold.... then hope for a nice river card for you to easily fold or easily call on (ie an ace)

[LB44]

Sorry, writing on iPhone getting the story backwards regards position lol. 

Okay so my gin card hits on the river . Giving us broadway.

Villain reachs for chips and bets 7,000 into a pot of 25,000, leaving himself with 19,000 behind.
I have 32,500.

Thoughts?

[nirvana]

50p

[JustinSayne]

Do exactly 4 fist pump then jam

[LB44]

I did shove and got my hand snapped off by TT.

Does everybody shove the river? Only argument in my head for this was we were both deep for the structure and I had no info on random villain. Also I myself would never play A full house like he did so really thought I basically had the nuts.

[muckthenuts]

1. as described you are the cutoff and he is the hijack, not the other way around, the cutoff is the seat directly to the right of the button
2. his range is probably weaker/medium kings and pairs between 55 and qq
3. if you think you can get him to fold a lot of this range otr (based on the card that peels off, chips behind etc) then go ahead and bet when checked to, if you do not think he is likely to fold.... then hope for a nice river card for you to easily fold or easily call on (ie an ace)

+1

Shove the river.

[Young_gun]

Defo shoving river, as played pretty much a cooler didnt do anything wrong imo UL

[George2Loose]

Only thing that might make me flat river is his ridiculous Hollywood on the turn.

[LB44]

That did run through my head

[Deadman]

Think its actually really close whether to shove the river or not, would have to purely depend on your read on the guy. I mean I see some players taking this line but i'm not a huge fan. He basically wants to check the turn to let u bet but then is too scared to check the river incase you check back. From the way the hand plays out it seems like you felt something fishy was going on when he tanks and almost mucks then calls...when a player does this and then wants to snap donk out on the next street its generally strong IMO so for this reason you maybe could find a hero 'just call' on the river but I wouldnt be too hard on yourself mate. FWIW I think the best line for him would be to check to you again on the river as you have to bet all your Kx hands for value and all your floats as a bluff, only hands he has to worry about you checkeing back are Jx floats.... AJ QJ etc.

[millidonk]

Deadman plz post on PHA more!

Fwiw i see this line taken quite a lot by the more elderly generation. Obv never finding a fold when the J ball drops but quite a strong argument for just calling vs described villain. Still close though.

what would people expect his line to be with KK as opposed to 1010 here?

[rfgqqabc]

Think its actually really close whether to shove the river or not, would have to purely depend on your read on the guy. I mean I see some players taking this line but i'm not a huge fan. He basically wants to check the turn to let u bet but then is too scared to check the river incase you check back. From the way the hand plays out it seems like you felt something fishy was going on when he tanks and almost mucks then calls...when a player does this and then wants to snap donk out on the next street its generally strong IMO so for this reason you maybe could find a hero 'just call' on the river but I wouldnt be too hard on yourself mate. FWIW I think the best line for him would be to check to you again on the river as you have to bet all your Kx hands for value and all your floats as a bluff, only hands he has to worry about you checkeing back are Jx floats.... AJ QJ etc.

Like and agree. With the live reads its super Polarising so flat has to be ok. I would shove a good chunk ingame though

[LB44]

That's a good analysis Simon. Cheers.

When he snap called me, I said AQ, we chop? And he flipped the Tens. Sigh.

Just didn't recognise him, middle aged, wasn't very handy with his chips and didn't wanna miss value from a blocking bet. Doh.

I'm almost for sure going to bet the river if I miss, his best line would have been to check the river again once he's checked the turn. FWIW I'm sure going to go ahead and bet the turn with Tens there because I more than likely barrel 2 bullets in that spot with ace high air so want to balance my range by betting my strong hands too.

If he had Kings, I definatly think his line would have been to check call the flop check raise the turn. However I wouldn't have bet the flop if checked to, so I think he leads small on the turn and then piled a huge bet on the river which I pay off by just flatting. I see this line by random rec players in their 50s with monsters.