Interesting preflop 1/2 .fr spot

[WotRTheChances]

PokerStars Hand #87240717156:  Hold'em No Limit (€1/€2 EUR) - 2012/10/06 17:50:52 EET [2012/10/06 10:50:52 ET]
Table 'Ymir V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dathuy (€73 in chips)
Seat 2: BINE22710 (€207.85 in chips)
Seat 3: JÜRGEN1954 (€205 in chips)
Seat 4: Heinrich_le (€213.98 in chips)
Seat 5: xFranck974x (€199.77 in chips)
Seat 6: Quelles_Sont (€223.98 in chips)
Seat 7: Quawks (€202.02 in chips)
Seat 8: quanpao33488 (€202 in chips)
Quelles_Sont: posts small blind €1
Quawks: posts big blind €2
BatCountry44: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Quelles_Sont [ ]
quanpao33488: calls €2
dathuy: folds
BINE22710: calls €2
JÜRGEN1954: raises €7.98 to €9.98
Heinrich_le: raises €16.02 to €26
xFranck974x: folds
Quelles_Sont:

I havn't played much with either of the two villains who have iso'd and re-iso'd here. From what i've seen in the 100 hands ive played with each of them i'd say JURGEN (playing 24/22/3) is a weak reg, plays face-up... definately can be iso-ing wide here. Heinrich (playing 25/21/10) seems decent, more aggro, has 3-bet my iso raises on other tables.

Seems pretty bad to cold-4bet fold, so I guess its 4-bet call or fold, felt really close... the cold 4 here despite being a pretty decent spot, still looks strong imo, so I don't think im doing great vs his range if he jams. Folding seems so nitty, but can it be correct given the other option(s)?

[Pugwashed]

Think I fold TT, probably going with JJ tho

[Bully87]

As funky as a cold 4b with TT from the SB seems (and yes you should look ridic strong), I highly doubt it will get through. I'm going to be hating life if one flats in position. (Unless it comes T high obvs)

[WotRTheChances]

As funky as a cold 4b with TT from the SB seems (and yes you should look ridic strong), I highly doubt it will get through. I'm going to be hating life if one flats in position. (Unless it comes T high obvs)

I'm not suggesting i'm cold 4-betting here as a bluff with TT... I just wasnt sure if 4bet-calling would be too thin vs him and if its profitable to do that given he will be folding x% of the time. If i was getting 'funky' i'd be 4-bet folding something like Axs Kxs KJ/KQ kinda hands.

[Bully87]

As funky as a cold 4b with TT from the SB seems (and yes you should look ridic strong), I highly doubt it will get through. I'm going to be hating life if one flats in position. (Unless it comes T high obvs)

I'm not suggesting i'm cold 4-betting here as a bluff with TT... I just wasnt sure if 4bet-calling would be too thin vs him and if its profitable to do that given he will be folding x% of the time. If i was getting 'funky' i'd be 4-bet folding something like Axs Kxs KJ/KQ kinda hands.

IMO 4b will only achieve two things, 1. him to fold which will happen x% of the time (which I think is pretty low) or 2. to 5b shove a hand your either crushed by or flipping with. Plus there is still the original raiser to think about too.
Personally I'd just fold this pre.

[pleno1]

Yeah going with this. Good reg punishing weak reg, I'd 4bf vs first Iso and call cs the other.

[SuuPRlim]

This if full ring yh? (I keep reading HH's wrong and making myself look silly)

Are the Stats you have all from full ring or have you played 6max or any other games with these players? Something in the stats doesn't feel right to me.

I remember the days of FR nlhe online, unless something drastic has happened to this format of poker, or everyone playing for euro's is completely mental I think this is just a fold.

[WotRTheChances]

This if full ring yh? (I keep reading HH's wrong and making myself look silly)

Are the Stats you have all from full ring or have you played 6max or any other games with these players? Something in the stats doesn't feel right to me.

I remember the days of FR nlhe online, unless something drastic has happened to this format of poker, or everyone playing for euro's is completely mental I think this is just a fold.

This was full ring yes. I think these stats are all from the full-ring tables, but the games didnt always play 9-handed. There is defo some stats not showing too, because im sure i'd played more than 100 hands with both of these villains (possibly at 6-max), but i'm pretty sure my reads on their play are about right.

This is stars.fr, so yes Euros.

I'd almost prefer to have been dealt A5s here so I could happily 4-bet fold. Would you raise-call JJ here? What about AQs? 4-bet fold?

[DMorgan]

Mediocre regs just have it always in spots like this in my (albeit limited) full ring cash experience. I'd fold.

[SuuPRlim]

Prolly let JJ go as well without a bigger sample/more reliable reads.

I'd prolly have a horribly unbalanced super exploitable really thin value 4bet range here, and throw a good few 4b bluffs in like you say, my memory of FR is you can get people off ALLL sorts of hands cold 4betting, and people just don't 5b anything less than KK

[pleno1]

What? Isn't villain 2 stats really ool for fr? Not folding jacks.

It's jacks ffs!