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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2012, 02:51:47 PM »

Suspended at home for racial abuse - Chelsea captain abroad tonight, with an anti-racism armband. Tonight must be the nadir in the John Terry saga.

Who is Nadir, and are you sure he's a friend of Terry's?

Hodgson's selection of Terry for the Euro's will be a blot on his England Managerial career for a long time.
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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2012, 03:12:06 PM »

I'm slightly confused by all this.  I went to football in the early 80s, and in my opinion there have been huge strides made in the fight against racism.  I think the kick it out  campaign has been largely successful myself, especially when you compare it to many other European countries. 

I don't know why the Ferdinands are so upset.  Terry was charged in a criminal court of law, and then charged by the FA under civil rules after that.  He is mostly despised and thought of as a racist even though he can point to the fact he was found not guilty in court.

I'm not sure what else the Ferdinands think should have been done in this situation?



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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2012, 03:18:02 PM »

"For the most part they tend to sit on the fence and pussyfoot around the racists and the bigots because they don't want to offend them.  "

The whole aim of kick it out, is surely to educate and to change the way society perceives racism.  I would say that in the rare cases where someone is racist in public, 95% of people are disgusted and think it is completely unacceptable.  I think there has been significant progress in this regard.  You are never going to get rid of every idiot.  But it would be unthinkable for an entire stand of people to make racist comments/gestures at a player in this country now.

There are still battles to be fought against isolated cases, but I think the war has been won in terms of how the vast majority think and behave.
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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2012, 03:28:23 PM »

I'm slightly confused by all this.  I went to football in the early 80s, and in my opinion there have been huge strides made in the fight against racism.  I think the kick it out  campaign has been largely successful myself, especially when you compare it to many other European countries. 

I don't know why the Ferdinands are so upset.  Terry was charged in a criminal court of law, and then charged by the FA under civil rules after that.  He is mostly despised and thought of as a racist even though he can point to the fact he was found not guilty in court.

I'm not sure what else the Ferdinands think should have been done in this situation?


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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2012, 04:12:29 PM »

How many of the people on here have been involved in direct action against racists? 

What have you done at your football club when there have been problems with racists?

The war has not been won my any stretch of the imagination, the problems may not be as bad now as it were in the 80's, but their are stlll major issues.
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2012, 04:24:05 PM »

I'm slightly confused by all this.  I went to football in the early 80s, and in my opinion there have been huge strides made in the fight against racism.  I think the kick it out  campaign has been largely successful myself, especially when you compare it to many other European countries. 

I don't know why the Ferdinands are so upset.  Terry was charged in a criminal court of law, and then charged by the FA under civil rules after that.  He is mostly despised and thought of as a racist even though he can point to the fact he was found not guilty in court.

I'm not sure what else the Ferdinands think should have been done in this situation?


There have been huge strides. How much of it is down to KIO? Very little imho. A lot more is down to clubs changing their policies and their crowd demographics. Rio Ferdinand has always been one of the most proactive anti-racism players in the league. Long prior to what happened to Anton. KIO are mostly reactive.

I would imagine when your little brother is racially abused and then one of the chair persons of one of the larger anti-racism organisations comes out and says John Terry isn't racist (the same man who called an Asian fan a coconut earlier this year - look it up if you don't understand the reference) you may be losing a little bit of faith in the organisations you're told you must support.

When the FA need someone to condone them FARE/KIO are there. When a player/club needs condemning they speak out. Unfortunately the week in week out incidents are rarely reported the same way.

I am not convinced Rio wasn't selected this summer for the issues with Terry, but a lot of people think it's exactly why he wasn't picked. Where were KIO then? Would they dare go up against their chief bankrollers?

The organisation is something that is a lovely idea. Unfortunately, they don't do a lot.
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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2012, 04:32:41 PM »

"How many of the people on here have been involved in direct action against racists? 
What have you done at your football club when there have been problems with racists?"

Completely missing the point.  The fact is that racist thoughts don't even cross many people's minds anymore.  20 years of awareness and education have changed the mindset of the football fan collective, where it was once tolerated for one player to be insulted by the morons just because "he is playing against us".  Now most people would find this abhorrent.

I have to say I haven't heard a racist comment from anyone in the stands for the last 5 years. 

You are never going to eliminate the tiny minority who live in the dark ages.  Most of these people are fat skinheads from the 80's in any case so will die out like the dinosaurs they are.
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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2012, 04:35:26 PM »

"There have been huge strides. How much of it is down to KIO? Very little imho. A lot more is down to clubs changing their policies and their crowd demographics."

The output of their work is hard to quantify.  The change in demographic obviously helps, but a large number of factors have helped of which KOI is one of them. 
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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2012, 04:39:44 PM »

"There have been huge strides. How much of it is down to KIO? Very little imho. A lot more is down to clubs changing their policies and their crowd demographics."

The output of their work is hard to quantify.  The change in demographic obviously helps, but a large number of factors have helped of which KOI is one of them. 

Agree there. I just don't think the landscape would be much different without them.
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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2012, 04:40:03 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/20036000
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