ukipt good fold?

[willrobrobu]

hated this fold. thoughts appreciated

PokerStars Hand #87655477225: Tournament #609423767, £700+£35 GBP Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2012/10/14 19:24:41 WET [2012/10/14 14:24:41 ET]
Table '609423767 31' 8-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: juarnes (29510 in chips)
Seat 2: PIUlimeira (25895 in chips)
Seat 3: dyng247 (24637 in chips)
Seat 4: rssoul20 (48051 in chips)
Seat 5: CuAt69UsdSng (21597 in chips)
Seat 6: Reraiseallin (4669 in chips)
Seat 7: willrobrobu (18808 in chips)
Seat 8: somnium89 (18663 in chips)
juarnes: posts the ante 50
PIUlimeira: posts the ante 50
dyng247: posts the ante 50
rssoul20: posts the ante 50
CuAt69UsdSng: posts the ante 50
Reraiseallin: posts the ante 50
willrobrobu: posts the ante 50
somnium89: posts the ante 50
dyng247: posts small blind 200
rssoul20: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willrobrobu [ ]
CuAt69UsdSng: folds
Reraiseallin: folds
willrobrobu: raises 400 to 800
somnium89: folds
juarnes: calls 800
PIUlimeira: folds
dyng247: folds
rssoul20: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
willrobrobu: checks
juarnes: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
willrobrobu: bets 1000
juarnes: raises 1840 to 2840
willrobrobu: calls 1840
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
willrobrobu: checks
juarnes: bets 25600
willrobrobu said, "pretty sick"
willrobrobu said, "couldnt u just bet the pot?"
willrobrobu said, "i fold AK"
willrobrobu: folds
Uncalled bet (25600) returned to juarnes
juarnes collected 8280 from pot
juarnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8280 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: juarnes collected (8280)
Seat 2: PIUlimeira (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dyng247 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: rssoul20 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: CuAt69UsdSng folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Reraiseallin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: willrobrobu folded on the River
Seat 8: somnium89 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[willrobrobu]

and i don't need berating for my failure to c-bet the flop or the chat thanks :p

just wondering how many would call the allin here as played? and how many would fold leaving a playable stack still...

[tight4better]

Are you implying you would of called a pot bet?

[willrobrobu]

i think i would *have* to. in my experience anyway pot sized river bets from regs in this sort of spot are almost bang on 50-50 bluffs vs nuts

big overbets however i just don't know...
big overbets at small stakes happen all the time with missed draws and i tend to snap these, but i'm faced with big overbets so infrequently at mid/higher stakes that i don't really know where i stand here. the last one i called with wheel straight KO'ed me on a FT bubble with a straight to the 6. i know regs are getting a bit crazy with FE shoving on stars at least but i felt i had a stack i could still work with by folding, felt sets, 33 and A3s were all well in his range, so i did fold in this case...

what would you have done here?

[Pinchop73]

Ach I wouldn't worry about being berated Rob, rarely does that happen. Interesting hand btw.

Yeh pretty gross spot, correct fold to a small pp imo.

May I ask what stats you and villain were running at the time?

I mean as std he's rarely flatting AK pre, and he rarely jams worse A's on this particular river once you've flatted the turn, so don't really see what we beat.

I would say though, that once we've checked the flop, I would prefer to see a check on the turn too.

[willrobrobu]

i don't use an HUD. he was an active Supernova reg i've played with quite a bit, i was also rel active, sl less so than him, but would still say i was playing loose preflop and tight post on the whole. we had been 7 handed most of the time and we had seen lots of flops but rarely gone to showdown, don't think i'd seen juarnes get to showdown more than a couple of times and he had it both occasions, hence his larger stack.

[George2Loose]

Think it's an easy fold. Doubt he's trying to get you to fold an ace here.

[Skippy]

wot no c-bet?

[swinebag22]

wot no c-bet?

you forgot to mention the chat as well

[willrobrobu]

Think it's an easy fold. Doubt he's trying to get you to fold an ace here.

definitely wasn't an easy fold for me, i tanked a full minute... but i thought it was the correct fold.

so 3/3 people here vote fold so far. anyone think we should call?

[strak33]

The chat is fine , he is just playing it like a live UKIPT

[jgcblack]

Think it's an easy fold. Doubt he's trying to get you to fold an ace here.

definitely wasn't an easy fold for me, i tanked a full minute... but i thought it was the correct fold.

so 3/3 people here vote fold so far. anyone think we should call?

Don't see any big plus sides to calling.. Overbets are scewed towards big hands 'normally'.

Obv dont ever chat, I would also think about what I would do on the river when he raises turn.  Seems like we just gave him an extra 1000.

in my experience when people raise a card 'I' should hit... They've just had it.  Whatever it was.

UL tho, gross spot.

[tight4better]

In this spot I don't think 8k is any different to 26k, don't think we're ever winning if he pots or overpots the river.

Personally think you got a bit unlucky and have to make the laydown.

• Fold.

[muckthenuts]

Seems even more unlikely that a supernova would take such a freak line as a bluff. Your hand is genuinely face up so he's likely pegged you as a someone who may not to be able to to fold an absolute value hand, hence him going for the whole biscuit on the river. Good fold imo.

[discomonkey]

Seems even more unlikely that a supernova would take such a freak line as a bluff. Your hand is genuinely face up so he's likely pegged you as a someone who may not to be able to to fold an absolute value hand, hence him going for the whole biscuit on the river. Good fold imo.

nailed it....