GUKPT Luton Main - Final two tables

[RacePoker]

GUKPT Main

£1000 buy in

155 runners, 12 remain, 15 paid

Prize Structure:
1st   £45,760
2nd   £32,160
3rd   £20,150
4th   £12,400
5th   £9,690
6th   £7,360
7th   £5,810
8th   £4,260
9th   £3,100
10th   £2,710
11th   £2,320
12th   £2,320
13th   £2,320
14th   £2,320
15th   £2,320

blinds 3000-6000/600

Hero stack 380,000 (3rd overall)

Opponent stack 400,000 (2nd overall)

Average is 210,000

Hero is seen as solid, TAG regular.

Opponent is relatively solid, aggressive but never shown down when he hasn't got it, young but not very, late twenties/early thirties, married, not a hoodie.

Hero is the cut off and raises to 15,000 with   

Opponent in the big blind flat calls


flop     

Opponent checks

Hero bets 20,000

Opponent check raises to 60,000

Hero re-rasies to 100,000

Opponent jams and has me covered.


What would you do?

[rfgqqabc]

Can't fold when you click back. I think i'd peel the c/r and put him in on blank turns.

[pleno1]

12k pre.

a little smaller otf.

call the raise.

all in on any turn, I may fold.

[Doobs]

12k pre.

a little smaller otf.

call the raise.

all in on any turn, I may fold.

would be the least likely of the diamonds to see? so I am not sure why we get so specific.

I think the check raise puts us in a horrid spot.  It looks like there are a ton of draws he can play aggressively... but he knows tha and he isn't that young, he no more wants to clash with you than you do with him, and this isn't on t'internet.   Fold and don't ever show for me.  Though I reserve the right to change my mind after seeing the name of the villian. 

[Pinchop73]

Though I reserve the right to change my mind after seeing the name of the villian. 

David Laughlon

[muckthenuts]

You should know definitely know what you're gonna do to a 4bet when you initially decide to 3bet the flop - i way prefer to flat with how deep we are, but now i'd get this in. He has a ton of semi bluffs in his range compared to really few combos of hands we're losing to, and he's also been given room to shove as a bluff so throw a few combos of that in there too. 3betting a pretty dry texture like this can look pretty fos sometimes on your part, plus people sometimes get up to crazy things when the bubble has just burst so i'd probably just get it in here lol and bemoan a cooler if he has it.

[swinebag22]

a little smaller otf.

Hero has bet just over half the pot. I'd have thought this was pretty standard.

How much less and why?

[youthnkzR]

a little smaller otf.

Hero has bet just over half the pot. I'd have thought this was pretty standard.

How much less and why?

i think he means a little smaller if hero makes it 12k pre

[The Camel]

I think it's fine until the 100,000 reraise.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve here. Looks like a bet to induce a shove, which you've got now.

Call surely, otherwise why make it 100k to go?

[youthnkzR]

I think it's fine until the 100,000 reraise.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve here. Looks like a bet to induce a shove, which you've got now.

Call surely, otherwise why make it 100k to go?

totally agree

[RacePoker]

Thanks for the thoughts so far.

I was actually the villain in this hand and held  (I posted like this as I had an opinion on what I would do, but was interested to see everyone's thoughts with the info given).

With regard to the hand, I was pretty sure I was up against top pair and the click back to 100,000 was a mis-step from my opponent, this opened the door for my all in and I felt I would get a fold.

My hand was repped as either big draw where he is in front (65%) or a hand that had him crushed (set or two pair from the bb). Even with a draw I felt it was a big risk for him at this stage in the tournament given he could fold and still be well above average.  Hands he is dominating I play differently, given how deep we are I flat weaker Kings and re-assess if he fires three streets.

If he flats the CR as suggested (I think this is the optimal play for him) I have to give up.

Cliffs: He tanks for a good 5 mins before making the call. I have 8 outs twice and don't improve, he takes a monster chip lead to the FT. I'm left with 4bb. Sigh.

I'm a little surprised how many of you thought this was a call, I think I would probably have found a fold, not 100% decided on what is right and wrong.

I think I'm quite happy with the way I played the hand, the only real question I've been asking myself is if I needed to get involved like this at this stage.

[SuuPRlim]

I taught myselft not to go around trying to make people fold top pair's in live poker, have made a lot more money since then.

Problem you have is you're repping so thin, either a flush draw, 33 or 44 (maybe 34s) as you said yourself you'd flat all your weaker Kings and pairs etc so when you make this play (the flop 4bet) you really are specifically targeting the TOP of his range (AA/AK) and trying to make him fold it - admittedly you've picked a good hand to do it with because you always have decent enough equity (the king of diamonds being out is important here because you're equity isn't as drastically damaged running into a flush draw when he cant have a higher pair than a 5 with it) but I think folding to the flop 3-bet is the best play (although you might be getting paid to call once, I'd defo call IP but OOP with your stack I think folding is best)

Other option is to just flat the flop c-bet, this keeps your range wider, includes all the KT's/ KJ's etc and will allow you to stab on a later street - obviously that wouldn't have worked this hand he has AK, but when he has AJ/JT maybe even 88 you might be able to win the pot with a river bet after chk/chk turn.

Personally OOP I think the c/r and folding to the 3bet, better way to play more aggressively, gives some more chances to win the pot gets him to fold hands with strong equity against us + we have plenty of outs and can barrel nearly any turncard profitably i think.

As it played out I think it's kind of ludicrous expecting him to fold AK, I think pretty much no-one's going to fold AK here, speshly 6handed, he obviously hasn't made great decisions in the hand either though as has been said he really should have had a plan in mind when he made his 100,000 raise as to what he wanted you to do, and how he was going ot react to it.

You really didn't need to get involved no, can't blame you though, you've made a gd play in the flop (the c/r) and you've run into the top of his range, it's UL but it happens, just sigh and move on - you can't win every hand, some just aren't meant to be...

[MANTIS01]

I would just fold pre. Occasionally 3bet if image is solid.

[The Camel]

Playing 60+ bbs deep, I think flat calling his c-bet is definitely best here.

[SuuPRlim]

Playing 60+ bbs deep, I think flat calling his c-bet is definitely best here.

Only problem with this is he can put us under some pressure on most turn cards, we really need to make our striaght in order to win the pot, or hope the turn goes chk chk and he's not PC'ing something, chk/call, chk/call chk/fold when we miss is ok we have 6 high so never giving equity up but it's just a lil weaker than ideal for me I'd rather just put him in a spot where he's having to make tough decisions, instead of putting ourselves in a spot where we need to hit 1 of 8 outs in order to win.

Obviously calling defo a legit option, just think its not DEFO the best way.