UKIPT Season 3 Feedback

[c4ught]

If it is to remain 4 days then midweek-Sun makes more sense than Fri-Monday?

Guarantees a bigger audience for the final than a Monday afternoon, both at venue and online.

Those who want to can play midweek and if you are taking a day off work, Friday generally better than Monday

Doesn't really solve the problem. The issue is currently you need to take a Friday off work regardless and then possibly a Monday if you FT.

Would really hate to have day 2 on a Friday as this would definitely mean taking 2 days off work. As it stands I can play a day 1 and if I did manage to make the Monday final I would ring in sick or come in for a few hours depending on the location.

I appreciate the majority are not in my position but as a recreational definitely having to take 2 days off work would put me off.

[gouty]

I like the levels and clock and the professional organisation of these events. A day off work on a Monday should not be an issue for 9 people who make ft.

Can you try to avoid the Grand National weekend? Was pretty gutted that the best event of 2012 fell on that weekend. There are plenty of poker players involved in betting/bookmaking too.

I hope Gala Bristol impress Stars enough to make it regular stop. I was there on Tuesday and they have painted the walls a much brighter colour and the room is now lighter. So it looks like they are trying to make an effort.

I am in day 1a and hope to be sending the wife to work on the Monday.

[AndrewT]

Please don't take those levels out. Just put in slightly longer days

As a recreational player I hate those longer days. Gives me no chance to have a drink or get some food afterwards unless I stay in the casino or get room service. Much preferred the current format.

As someone who works hate using my annual leave to have to play.

Less than you hate losing some levels I presume?

If the structure suffers I'm less likely to play

I think more people would prefer the tournament ends inside 4 days than would stop playing if 4 or 5 levels are ditched. 75-150, 500-100 and 1200-2400 are essentially pointless levels imo.

75/150 i can get on board with, but 500/1k is one of the most important levels in the tournament imo for keeping it semi deep.

When it goes from 400/800/100 to 500/1000/100 the price per round goes from 2200 to 2500 on a ten-handed table - completely pointless. Go straight to 600/1200/100 and 2800 a round.

[Doobs]

Think structure is fine as is

2 "recreational" players have said in this thread they would prefer the tournament didn't end on Mondays.

There are 4 ways to achieve this:

1 Smaller fields.
2 Shorter levels.
3 Less levels.
4 Longer days.

I think most people would agree that options 1 and 4 are not desirable.

That leaves either option 2 or 3.

I'd be happy with a combination of 2, 3 and 4.  1 is obviously undesirable to pokerstars.

You can make days 2 and 3 longer then the vast majority won't even have to do a late day.  When I am working on playing online I can be up at 6 for work and finish at 3 or 4 am and multitabling online needs a lot more concentration than a single live table.  I just don't get why 12 hour days of one tabling live is really so bad. 

I definitely prefer day 2 Saturday to day 2 Friday.

There is a zero chance I am going to pull a sicky for something that is going to be on page 1 of google.

[NigDawG]

perfectly reasonable to have the main events as £1k buy in now imo. the tour is well established and strongly supported by satellites. nothing puts me off of a satellite more than seeing the expenses taking up too much of the package. it also makes it more worthwhile going to edinburgh/newcastle etc for me from the south and other players even further afield.

would of said having edinburgh on during the festival easily outweighed any problems people have with the venue (which was perfectly fine imo anyway?). the numbers for a january edinburgh will be interesting. being able to tie in the tournament with other festivals and things is a great idea and something which should be considered more often imo.

perhaps selfish but making the high roller events 1 day saturday events would interest me. it doesn't have to be a complete turbo, but the point being i am very unwilling to jeopardise skipping sundays online. i know a lot of people share my opinion and like gambling it up! may as well make it 8 handed and start with antes from the 1st level while we are at it!

another southern ukipt would be great if you can find somewhere suitable

[NigDawG]

oh and ukipt online was a good idea

[c4ught]

Think structure is fine as is

2 "recreational" players have said in this thread they would prefer the tournament didn't end on Mondays.

There are 4 ways to achieve this:

1 Smaller fields.
2 Shorter levels.
3 Less levels.
4 Longer days.

I think most people would agree that options 1 and 4 are not desirable.

That leaves either option 2 or 3.

I'd be happy with a combination of 2, 3 and 4.  1 is obviously undesirable to pokerstars.

You can make days 2 and 3 longer then the vast majority won't even have to do a late day.  When I am working on playing online I can be up at 6 for work and finish at 3 or 4 am and multitabling online needs a lot more concentration than a single live table.  I just don't get why 12 hour days of one tabling live is really so bad. 

I definitely prefer day 2 Saturday to day 2 Friday.

There is a zero chance I am going to pull a sicky for something that is going to be on page 1 of google.

I possibly underestimated how many recreational players could do this given the wage required and the positions people may hold to be able to flick it in for a £700 tournament.

I have never had a day off sick in 4 years does this make it more or less likely that they search my name on google the day after I ring in sick?

[Boba Fett]

I wouldnt like the main event buyin to be increased
Not sure if this is a big deal to you but parking seems like it will be a problem in Edinburgh specfically which is  problem for anyone that lives within driving distance but too far for public transport (Especially with later finishing times) and anyone that isnt planning to get a hotel in Edinburgh for the event.  Even locals might have to taxi back and forward from their house.
Id like to see lots of changes to the high roller, it just doesnt get a good enough field, especially at the smaller stops and I think this in turn puts a lot of people off from taking a punt in it, which would create more value in the tourney and cause more people to enter.  Id maybe drop the buyin back to £1500 and deffo have more live sats for it.  If this doesnt increase the field a lot more for all events I think the HR in its current format should be limited to maybe 2 of the bigger stops (Nottingham obv and maybe Dublin?) and replaced at the others with a high buyin faster tournament, maybe something like £1200 Bounty semi-turbo (£800 + £400 for bounty) that will be done in a day.
Chris is right about the high roller too, I think you can drop 25/50, bring in antes from level 1 and make the antes more aggressive throughout.
Probably nothing that can be done about this but its unfortunate that 2 of the better side events, HR and the £300, clash with each other and with the stars party on a Saturday night.  Id like to see both of them start way earlier on the Saturday.  A possible solution might be having £300 early on the Saturday, having the Omaha on the Saturday night (early Sunday seems unpopular) and having the HR as a 1 day event starting 1st thing Sunday.
Absolutely dont take out levels from the Main, I think the structure is great as it is and would hate to see it change, if anything I think we could maybe live with 45 min levels day 1 and then 1 hour levels day 2 and play more levels day 1.  A Sunday FT does seem to suit more people and I think the rails would be better as everyone not still in a tourney of some sort seems to be over it by Monday and wants to leave.
Re-entry on the sides is fine but limited to 1 or 2 IMO.

[The Camel]

I wouldnt like the main event buyin to be increased
Not sure if this is a big deal to you but parking seems like it will be a problem in Edinburgh specfically which is  problem for anyone that lives within driving distance but too far for public transport (Especially with later finishing times) and anyone that isnt planning to get a hotel in Edinburgh for the event.  Even locals might have to taxi back and forward from their house.
Id like to see lots of changes to the high roller, it just doesnt get a good enough field, especially at the smaller stops and I think this in turn puts a lot of people off from taking a punt in it, which would create more value in the tourney and cause more people to enter.  Id maybe drop the buyin back to £1500 and deffo have more live sats for it.  If this doesnt increase the field a lot more for all events I think the HR in its current format should be limited to maybe 2 of the bigger stops (Nottingham obv and maybe Dublin?) and replaced at the others with a high buyin faster tournament, maybe something like £1200 Bounty semi-turbo (£800 + £400 for bounty) that will be done in a day.
Chris is right about the high roller too, I think you can drop 25/50, bring in antes from level 1 and make the antes more aggressive throughout.
Probably nothing that can be done about this but its unfortunate that 2 of the better side events, HR and the £300, clash with each other and with the stars party on a Saturday night.  Id like to see both of them start way earlier on the Saturday.  A possible solution might be having £300 early on the Saturday, having the Omaha on the Saturday night (early Sunday seems unpopular) and having the HR as a 1 day event starting 1st thing Sunday.
Absolutely dont take out levels from the Main, I think the structure is great as it is and would hate to see it change, if anything I think we could maybe live with 45 min levels day 1 and then 1 hour levels day 2 and play more levels day 1.  A Sunday FT does seem to suit more people and I think the rails would be better as everyone not still in a tourney of some sort seems to be over it by Monday and wants to leave.
Re-entry on the sides is fine but limited to 1 or 2 IMO.

Online sats for hi roller too? (With a seat or two guaranteed obv!)

[Boba Fett]

I wouldnt like the main event buyin to be increased
Not sure if this is a big deal to you but parking seems like it will be a problem in Edinburgh specfically which is  problem for anyone that lives within driving distance but too far for public transport (Especially with later finishing times) and anyone that isnt planning to get a hotel in Edinburgh for the event.  Even locals might have to taxi back and forward from their house.
Id like to see lots of changes to the high roller, it just doesnt get a good enough field, especially at the smaller stops and I think this in turn puts a lot of people off from taking a punt in it, which would create more value in the tourney and cause more people to enter.  Id maybe drop the buyin back to £1500 and deffo have more live sats for it.  If this doesnt increase the field a lot more for all events I think the HR in its current format should be limited to maybe 2 of the bigger stops (Nottingham obv and maybe Dublin?) and replaced at the others with a high buyin faster tournament, maybe something like £1200 Bounty semi-turbo (£800 + £400 for bounty) that will be done in a day.
Chris is right about the high roller too, I think you can drop 25/50, bring in antes from level 1 and make the antes more aggressive throughout.
Probably nothing that can be done about this but its unfortunate that 2 of the better side events, HR and the £300, clash with each other and with the stars party on a Saturday night.  Id like to see both of them start way earlier on the Saturday.  A possible solution might be having £300 early on the Saturday, having the Omaha on the Saturday night (early Sunday seems unpopular) and having the HR as a 1 day event starting 1st thing Sunday.
Absolutely dont take out levels from the Main, I think the structure is great as it is and would hate to see it change, if anything I think we could maybe live with 45 min levels day 1 and then 1 hour levels day 2 and play more levels day 1.  A Sunday FT does seem to suit more people and I think the rails would be better as everyone not still in a tourney of some sort seems to be over it by Monday and wants to leave.
Re-entry on the sides is fine but limited to 1 or 2 IMO.

Online sats for hi roller too? (With a seat or two guaranteed obv!)

I think they tried this but ran 2 sats total for Newcastle HR, it could work but not the way they tried it before.

[aaron1867]

Why is it "perfectly reasonable" to put buyin upto £1k.

Greed, IMO.

Not sure you would like it if EPT's, increased to 8k buyin and WSOPs to 14k?

[Cf]

As a recreational player I was happy to get £500 for the UKIPT Nottingham a couple of years ago. I just about stretched to £700 this year. I would not play if it was £1,000.

[skolsuper]

Why is it "perfectly reasonable" to put buyin upto £1k.

Greed, IMO.

Not sure you would like it if EPT's, increased to 8k buyin and WSOPs to 14k?

It is perfectly reasonable. It's going to put some people off, but the net effect might will probably be to make the tournament bigger (in terms of prize pool). It's not like if you can't play it you might as well go kill yourself, there will be other tournaments to play.

[The Camel]

Why is it "perfectly reasonable" to put buyin upto £1k.

Greed, IMO.

Not sure you would like it if EPT's, increased to 8k buyin and WSOPs to 14k?

It is perfectly reasonable. It's going to put some people off, but the net effect might will probably be to make the tournament bigger (in terms of prize pool). It's not like if you can't play it you might as well go kill yourself, there will be other tournaments to play.

I would rather have 2 Aaron's in the field than 1 Keys.

[AndrewT]

The higher the buy in the fewer satellite qualifiers (as each satellite generates fewer seats) and the fewer direct buy-ins from rec players (as it's more expensive). So the tourney gets smaller and tougher, putting people off in the future, meaning there's less interest, fewer qualifiers, smaller and tougher fields etc etc.

The UKIPT has then turned into the GUKPT.