UKIPT Season 3 Feedback

[aaron1867]

Lol.

Making the buyin bigger doesn't make the comp bigger, it's not even set in stone that it would make more money. The UKIPT is doing great, so why change buyin. As for what's difference between 700 and 1000 is just LOL.

I would be highly disappointed to see the buyin change. Just greed, for sure.

it's cool that you are happy with it, but i'm not. i spoke up and gave my feedback.

italian poker tour ran €2k with re-entry main event and had €200k ftw and I'm asking myself well why can't stars offer me this on the ukipt. (obviously they won't just fire away with that here but we are now season 3 of ukipt and it's a little underwhelming)

Go and play that.

everything is dependent.

I played a £150 tourney in Sheffield, but offered me 3k FTW, but DTD did same buyin and 10k ftw, should I take it up with them?

It is only underwhelming for someone who is used to playing bigger events. You are just pricing people out, imo.

[gouty]

and why are we talking about 500 to 1k. this season the buy ins were 700, people complained about it when they were told it was happening, saying 500 was perfect. yet turn out was better than ever?

Just for simplicity, couldn't be arsed to work out the numbers.

They could double the amount of sats, but they wouldn't get double the qualifiers.

People have a set amount they are willing to spend of sats, it isn't a never ending pool.

Stars pull $15m out of that pool twice a year for the PCA and WSOP main. As far as the UKIPT is concerned, yes it is.

Then why aren't all the UKIPTs sold out?

Certainly the 2 I played (Nottingham and Newcastle) were at venue capacity. I would be very surprised if stars were bringing as many qualifiers as they feasibly could do. Are you seriously suggesting that stars can qualify 1500+ players for a $10k in the caribbean but couldn't bring 300 players to a £1k in England? IMO the UKIPT is a long way off from being as big as it could be, and at the minute it will be taking players from other medium buyin comps. Rather than being concerned about keeping the UKIPTs cheap enough for a certain level of recreational player, they could make the whole pie bigger. You have to look at the whole pie.

The qualifiers they have now just don't generate the action!

They have only 160 qualifiers for Bristol next week. And that is with sats running every day for a month.

Many of the sats to the qualifiers have 1 or 2 tables.

If stars engaged their hype machine, the evidence suggests that they would be able to fill a bigger tournament many times over. Maybe Bristol as a venue is so repulsive that they genuinely can't, however I very much doubt it.

No. That could be it.

[The Camel]

and why are we talking about 500 to 1k. this season the buy ins were 700, people complained about it when they were told it was happening, saying 500 was perfect. yet turn out was better than ever?

Just for simplicity, couldn't be arsed to work out the numbers.

They could double the amount of sats, but they wouldn't get double the qualifiers.

People have a set amount they are willing to spend of sats, it isn't a never ending pool.

Stars pull $15m out of that pool twice a year for the PCA and WSOP main. As far as the UKIPT is concerned, yes it is.

Then why aren't all the UKIPTs sold out?

Certainly the 2 I played (Nottingham and Newcastle) were at venue capacity. I would be very surprised if stars were bringing as many qualifiers as they feasibly could do. Are you seriously suggesting that stars can qualify 1500+ players for a $10k in the caribbean but couldn't bring 300 players to a £1k in England? IMO the UKIPT is a long way off from being as big as it could be, and at the minute it will be taking players from other medium buyin comps. Rather than being concerned about keeping the UKIPTs cheap enough for a certain level of recreational player, they could make the whole pie bigger. You have to look at the whole pie.

The qualifiers they have now just don't generate the action!

They have only 160 qualifiers for Bristol next week. And that is with sats running every day for a month.

Many of the sats to the qualifiers have 1 or 2 tables.

If stars engaged their hype machine, the evidence suggests that they would be able to fill a bigger tournament many times over. Maybe Bristol as a venue is so repulsive that they genuinely can't, however I very much doubt it.

No. That could be it.

Bahamas or Bristol... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Ironside]

Inverness or Aberdeen or somewhere inbetween is only chance i will get to play a 4 day comp so as the chances of both are remote doesnt really bother me

[Bad Beat]

 In terms of making the main event finish on a Sunday I have a fifth solution that nobody has mentioned.

 I suggested it to the GUKPT but that tour has not proved to be too big on innovation and I may as well have talked to a wall.

 Most players seem to agree that 9-handed is better than 10-handed. I have never heard anyone say they would rather have 10. 6-max events are also very popular but with these some recreationals feel that they are getting beaten-up a bit too much by aggro pros. In Oz they make their events 8-handed. The casinos over here always start 10-handed as they think this means they need way less dealers. The Crown in Melbourne have found out this is definitely not the case. Players get busted so much more quickly because there are more hands and people play much more aggro early. At the very start they need more dealers but soon people bust and they can let a few go.

 I think it would mean the numbers would drop much more quickly and possibly by dropping the odd level and finishing just slightly later each day you could get it to a 3-day comp.

 I personally am with The Camel that dropping early levels like 75/150 is good. I think if you have a large stack/pot ratio the effect of the table draw is much more promounced and the event becomes less about skill (everyone set mines and being on the table with the guy who can't pass an overpair is so great). I can see that that travelling satellite winners want to get the maximum big-tournament experience though. In the WSOP where you can just go #ontothenextone I can see the argument for fast early and slower later, but I think this is different. If you waited two months looking forward to your big event you shouldn't be out after a flip in level 3.

 On the HR front I think 30 minute blinds with 20,000 chips starting 100/200 on Saturday night is fine. If it doesn't finish by 3am you should at least know that if you are paying hotels and missing Sunday you are getting paid. These punters are a different market and they don't want lots of play early. They want to get to the ante stage quickly. I could see an argument for 20 minute blinds for the first six levels and 30 minute after. I think the players could help you here by buying-in early. I have been to several events where twelve people are standing around saying they'll buy-in if there are 25 runners. If they just did it there would be. I guess you could give extra FPPs for buying-in online before the day.

 

[Whollyflush]

+1 to upping the buyin to £1k, stars could easily attract the same number of runners ( i think most would play these over GUKPT's) and it would make it comparable with the other tours they run in Europe.

good post Neil ^^

[dreenie]

cut out all the 3x turbo satellites to your main events IMO. It's the main reason I hate playing them on stars, Too much of a crap shoot and too expensive, specially if it's entry only and u have had to have a few gos.

£30 with 1 add on or 55 f/o with 12 hyper feeders into them for seat only, is pretty cool, with maybe a weekly Sunday £110 with expenses. Think you should do it with a lot of your other main event tournaments too.

A couple more down the South would be great, too far to go otherwise, Nottingham and Brighton are the only ones I would realistically try to get into, but then again I'm real lazy when it comes to stuff like that.

Defiantly keep the On-line leg, but think it should have at least 15k chips with minimum 20 minute blinds. honestly thought that leg would get well over £100k to the winner, It still got plenty of runners, but think it could get a load more.

Disappointed that there was no 6 max side event too. Think all legs should have one, specially the On-line leg.

Think it's fine to reduce levels to 30/45 mins, and not fussed about the buy in, 700 or 1k is no real difference in the cold light of day, not when u can win huge amounts of money.

Think you should do, a grand final i.e all the winners of each leg play off in a 1 table tournament to become a ukipt poker-stars sponsored player for the following year, with expenses included, think that's a really good incentive to play the tours in general.              (Think you have leader boards already, so that might not be relevant, but u could defiantly spice it up a bit with a few added promotions to give the customer more value for supporting your tour.

[dino1980]

cut out all the 3x turbo satellites to your main events IMO. It's the main reason I hate playing them on stars, Too much of a crap shoot and too expensive, specially if it's entry only and u have had to have a few gos.

£30 with 1 add on or 55 f/o with 12 hyper feeders into them for seat only, is pretty cool, with maybe a weekly Sunday £110 with expenses. Think you should do it with a lot of your other main event tournaments too.

A couple more down the South would be great, too far to go otherwise, Nottingham and Brighton are the only ones I would realistically try to get into, but then again I'm real lazy when it comes to stuff like that.

Defiantly keep the On-line leg, but think it should have at least 15k chips with minimum 20 minute blinds. honestly thought that leg would get well over £100k to the winner, It still got plenty of runners, but think it could get a load more.

Disappointed that there was no 6 max side event too. Think all legs should have one, specially the On-line leg.

Think it's fine to reduce levels to 30/45 mins, and not fussed about the buy in, 700 or 1k is no real difference in the cold light of day, not when u can win huge amounts of money.

Think you should do, a grand final i.e all the winners of each leg play off in a 1 table tournament to become a ukipt poker-stars sponsored player for the following year, with expenses included, think that's a really good incentive to play the tours in general.              (Think you have leader boards already, so that might not be relevant, but u could defiantly spice it up a bit with a few added promotions to give the customer more value for supporting your tour.

This already happens, David Vamplew won it in season One and Richard Sinclair in season two.

[Royal Flush]

and why are we talking about 500 to 1k. this season the buy ins were 700, people complained about it when they were told it was happening, saying 500 was perfect. yet turn out was better than ever?

Just for simplicity, couldn't be arsed to work out the numbers.

They could double the amount of sats, but they wouldn't get double the qualifiers.

People have a set amount they are willing to spend of sats, it isn't a never ending pool.

Stars pull $15m out of that pool twice a year for the PCA and WSOP main. As far as the UKIPT is concerned, yes it is.

Then why aren't all the UKIPTs sold out?

Certainly the 2 I played (Nottingham and Newcastle) were at venue capacity. I would be very surprised if stars were bringing as many qualifiers as they feasibly could do. Are you seriously suggesting that stars can qualify 1500+ players for a $10k in the caribbean but couldn't bring 300 players to a £1k in England? IMO the UKIPT is a long way off from being as big as it could be, and at the minute it will be taking players from other medium buyin comps. Rather than being concerned about keeping the UKIPTs cheap enough for a certain level of recreational player, they could make the whole pie bigger. You have to look at the whole pie.

Quite clearly qualifying 1500 people from around the globe to the 2nd biggest $10k of the year that has a history and also happens to be in the Caribbean in January is obviously going to be a lot easier than qualifying 300 people to a £1k in some rain drenched corner of this nation.

[Royal Flush]

Lol.

Making the buyin bigger doesn't make the comp bigger, it's not even set in stone that it would make more money. The UKIPT is doing great, so why change buyin. As for what's difference between 700 and 1000 is just LOL.

I would be highly disappointed to see the buyin change. Just greed, for sure.

The demographic of people who play poker in the UK is a lot different to that of those who play in the continent, especially on the Riviera

it's cool that you are happy with it, but i'm not. i spoke up and gave my feedback.

italian poker tour ran €2k with re-entry main event and had €200k ftw and I'm asking myself well why can't stars offer me this on the ukipt. (obviously they won't just fire away with that here but we are now season 3 of ukipt and it's a little underwhelming)

[SuuPRlim]

R.E The buyin, it's absolutley inevitable that it will be £1,000 buyin for the main events soon, this is how these tours develop. Stars introduce a concept (the UKIPT) and introduce it at the (then) vacant £500 buyin level, the continued failngs of the GUKPT leave a huge gaps in the £1000 buyin level so to test the waters the UKIPT increase it to £700 and the results are because of the organisation of the tour, and the extensive satelite platform Stars have to offer that numbers increase at the detriment of the GUKPT. The next step is FOR SURE to increase the buyin to £1,000, to guarantee the tournaments and to literally finish the GUKPT off (harsh as the GUKPT has some prestige here imo) but given the way stars operate is SO, SO very superior to the way the GUKPT does it's truly inevitable.

This is just the cycle of these things

In come Genting with the £400 buyin "GPS" events, these are seeming pretty popular, not long before there are more stops of these at the £500 or £600 level imo and they'll prolly hold that level successfully for a while as they seem pretty sharp.

And don't forget DTD, they hold a regular £500 tournament which attracts a big field.

I think the UKIPT increasing it's buyin to £1,000 is going to be a good step for UK poker as it allows other smaller tours to take control of the 300-700 buyin range (there will be plenty - and the sooner UKIPT is £1k the sooner they will improve) and let stars handle the £1k where they will obviously succeed.

[MC]

R.E The buyin, it's absolutley inevitable that it will be £1,000 buyin for the main events soon, this is how these tours develop. Stars introduce a concept (the UKIPT) and introduce it at the (then) vacant £500 buyin level, the continued failngs of the GUKPT leave a huge gaps in the £1000 buyin level so to test the waters the UKIPT increase it to £700 and the results are because of the organisation of the tour, and the extensive satelite platform Stars have to offer that numbers increase at the detriment of the GUKPT. The next step is FOR SURE to increase the buyin to £1,000, to guarantee the tournaments and to literally finish the GUKPT off (harsh as the GUKPT has some prestige here imo) but given the way stars operate is SO, SO very superior to the way the GUKPT does it's truly inevitable.

This is just the cycle of these things

In come Genting with the £400 buyin "GPS" events, these are seeming pretty popular, not long before there are more stops of these at the £500 or £600 level imo and they'll prolly hold that level successfully for a while as they seem pretty sharp.

And don't forget DTD, they hold a regular £500 tournament which attracts a big field.

I think the UKIPT increasing it's buyin to £1,000 is going to be a good step for UK poker as it allows other smaller tours to take control of the 300-700 buyin range (there will be plenty - and the sooner UKIPT is £1k the sooner they will improve) and let stars handle the £1k where they will obviously succeed.

Good post...

[aaron1867]

R.E The buyin, it's absolutley inevitable that it will be £1,000 buyin for the main events soon, this is how these tours develop. Stars introduce a concept (the UKIPT) and introduce it at the (then) vacant £500 buyin level, the continued failngs of the GUKPT leave a huge gaps in the £1000 buyin level so to test the waters the UKIPT increase it to £700 and the results are because of the organisation of the tour, and the extensive satelite platform Stars have to offer that numbers increase at the detriment of the GUKPT. The next step is FOR SURE to increase the buyin to £1,000, to guarantee the tournaments and to literally finish the GUKPT off (harsh as the GUKPT has some prestige here imo) but given the way stars operate is SO, SO very superior to the way the GUKPT does it's truly inevitable.

This is just the cycle of these things

In come Genting with the £400 buyin "GPS" events, these are seeming pretty popular, not long before there are more stops of these at the £500 or £600 level imo and they'll prolly hold that level successfully for a while as they seem pretty sharp.

And don't forget DTD, they hold a regular £500 tournament which attracts a big field.

I think the UKIPT increasing it's buyin to £1,000 is going to be a good step for UK poker as it allows other smaller tours to take control of the 300-700 buyin range (there will be plenty - and the sooner UKIPT is £1k the sooner they will improve) and let stars handle the £1k where they will obviously succeed.

Good post...

+1.

Makes valid reasons rather than "more than reasonable to increase buyin" & "X tournament offers me this, why can't UKIPT"

I still personally don't want to see an increase yet, but over a few years, maybe 1k is a good idea, but where would it stop? The whole "third season, no improvement" is a load of tosh, you don't need to walk first before you can run.

A jump to 1k next season or season after would see no improvemt in numbers or pot for sure.

[NigDawG]

A jump to 1k next season or season after would see no improvemt in numbers or pot for sure.

if they run main events as £1k buy in next season (big if since i have no idea if they will or not) i'll have a friendly bet with you that the prize pools will be bigger for that season over last season provided they run an equal number of events and DTD is on the schedule

[NigDawG]

and the reason i think it is "more than reasonable" is that there is currently a gap in the market for a big £1k event series. the midstakes (£200-£800) market is well catered for imo with dtd, gps, fox etc. ukipt serves this very well too, but it realistically is the only rival to the gukpt, and can improve greatly on where that rival hasn't excelled. currently i don't think the "high rollers" on the ukipt cover it. the side events that come with a main event will however further bolster this midstakes market. so there will still be plenty of great comps for everyone.

yeh lild said all that better than i did. he writes very well and i didn't think to explain myself clearer in the first place.