Live Cash Staking

[Dark clown87]

Honey badger pretty much spot on. Especially the last paragraph, everyone knows everyone in the poker world so having a good reputation is essential to doing well and lasting in the game.

[FredW]

Some great responses on here, esp from lil dave. Aaron, think you really need to look at yourself in the mirror if you're saying you think you would struggle not to steal off someone who has been good enough to back you...

I think staking can help a lot of players who do not have a lot of disposable cash (e.g. it's tied up in businesses etc) to develop a better mindset whilst playing. Anyone who is playing with scared money will never play at their best and simply having that extra security can give them the confidence to crush the game.

[CHIPPYMAN]

Some great responses on here, esp from lil dave. Aaron, think you really need to look at yourself in the mirror if you're saying you think you would struggle not to steal off someone who has been good enough to back you...

I think staking can help a lot of players who do not have a lot of disposable cash (e.g. it's tied up in businesses etc) to develop a better mindset whilst playing. Anyone who is playing with scared money will never play at their best and simply having that extra security can give them the confidence to crush the game.

Gl Fred but regarding that kid that talks a lot , don't worry
about him dude bcause he ain't got no clues what he's yupping about !!!!

[aaron1867]

Some great responses on here, esp from lil dave. Aaron, think you really need to look at yourself in the mirror if you're saying you think you would struggle not to steal off someone who has been good enough to back you...

I think staking can help a lot of players who do not have a lot of disposable cash (e.g. it's tied up in businesses etc) to develop a better mindset whilst playing. Anyone who is playing with scared money will never play at their best and simply having that extra security can give them the confidence to crush the game.

I know it happens, which is the point of it.

Like I said, don't worry about me, I just put my opinion out there, people may not agree with it, but there you go. Cash can hardly ever get recorded live or online, so if your stuck in a rut that evrything is ran perfectly, then it is perhaps you that neds to have a word.

Like I said, I know it happens & it wouldn't happen with me as I don't need staking.

PS - Welcome to the forum Tom, hope you are doing well in Vegas!

[Pugwashed]

Cash can hardly ever get recorded live or online

Actually pretty easy to record online. Especially on sites like Pokerstars where you can get audits of your account which will show everything and every backer is perfectly entitled to request these

[Bully87]

So your staked by someone so they are helping you. Why the hell would you steal and not record accurate sessions? Surely the bankroll supplied will show consistent with the results you record. Trust is the only issue. If your a winning player then you'd have no reason to steal either.

Gl with any staking requests Aaron lol

[aaron1867]

So your staked by someone so they are helping you. Why the hell would you steal and not record accurate sessions? Surely the bankroll supplied will show consistent with the results you record. Trust is the only issue. If your a winning player then you'd have no reason to steal either.

Gl with any staking requests Aaron lol

If you read above, I said I know it happens, poker players aren't exactly the most trsutworthy in the world are they, would take a massive amount of trust.

Like I also said, I don't nee staking, so never going to get to that point. I think I have probably come across in a way I shouldn't have here lol, no good with sounding like I have a clue

[Pugwashed]

poker players aren't exactly the most trsutworthy in the world are they,

lol

What as a poker player makes me less likely to be trustworthy than any random guy off the street?

If anything I think the opposite of this is true (for serious / successful poker players anyway)

[SuuPRlim]

tbf Aaron is kinda right, a lot of stealing/dodgyness does go on in the poker world. However the point where he is wrong is that everyone who is backed for live poker would be too tempted to steal from their backer out of the profits and would be unable to resist this theft. As has been said the vast majority of live staking agreements are from relationships where a good level of trust exists already so I reckon it would happen a LOT less than you think.

I actually think you'll find a lot more stealing goes on in online staking arrangements.

I think Aaron you have a little "old-skool" mentality on this one, I can't really say with too much authority as Im relatively young but I get the impression the gambling world has really moved forwards in terms of it's ethical standards. Would be naive to say it's changed totally but I think it's a lot better now.

[atdc21]

Suuperlim, the 'gambling world' may have moved on a bit (maybe not) , if it has its probably because a lot more things have become more transparent with all this new technology. Horse racing is a good example, old days an owner could lay his own horse in a race by getting local/friendly bookmaker to do it for him, word of mouth no trace. Now he can use the internet to either do it himself or get friend/ relation to do it, easier to do , but easier to investigate/get caught. Same applies to jockeys, look at how many different jockeys have been brought in for all sorts of illegal riding/betting offences, prob no more going on , just easier to find out / get caught.
The thing is from the start of time, and prob to end of time SOMEONE somewhere will always be lured to do things they shouldnt by MONEY, it is a very powerful commodity.

[Neptune]

I've had a few close "friends" that i knew for a few years and thought i could trust steal from me in the poker world.  It really sucks and makes me wonder who the hell u can trust in the gambling world.  I know most people are trustworthy but when you get screwed over by people who are your friends it makes it really difficult!  Anyway just sayin, gotta be careful out there.

[aaron1867]

I have not worded it properly in some ways to be quite frank. It might look as if I would be stealing with regards to it, but it is situation dependant.

These people who are in cash deals are usually broke, that is why they are getting staked, if I was broke, would I consider telling a white lie about how much was won? Has the backer got his usual weekly amount that he is happy with, but Horse got a nice weekend score & gained more than usual, who is to people wouldn't?

People say gambling is a lot different to what it was previously? but is it? People are still borrowing and lending, there are people in poker world, that I pretty much swap money with. There are people in poker world who are in massive debt, because they can't pay these multiple debts off to people! Nothing has changed. The financial and economic world has got worse, so how it can be seen as 'better' I don't know. Poker world may have moved on, but gambling world has not.

[SuuPRlim]

Well I mean you're right lol

I guess it just boils down to each person's ethical standpoint and irrelevant to the industry they work/live in. If you're the type of person who morally can steal from someone (what you're talking about IS stealing irrespective) then you'll always be tempted to cheat in that spot, if you're the type of person who could never do that then you won't.

The Grey area here as atdc has said

The thing is from the start of time, and prob to end of time SOMEONE somewhere will always be lured to do things they shouldnt by MONEY, it is a very powerful commodity.

I stake a very close friend of mine for cash games online and he can have £10-£30k in his account at any one time, I've never checked his account history or anything like that and never will, they day I feel the need to Id stop backing him because it won't work without 100% trust, if it turns out I've been wrong and he isn't trustworthy then I've made a terrible judge of character and will pay the price for it.

I'd rather be stung a few times than never trust anyone.

[CHIPPYMAN]

U trust me Dave . U staking me then Dave ? Lol

[SuuPRlim]

U trust me Dave . U staking me then Dave ? Lol

mama said never trust man from china only for feesh and chips.