Confidence at an all time low so playing badly and clueless.

[cambridgealex]

4. I can't see that knowing stuff about your opponents is a bad thing. Please don't think that I think the hendonmob is the be all and end all. I  am profiling people from the moment we sit down at the tables.  My latest trick at Dtd is being able to spot the Bankroll Supply players at the table within a couple of orbits. You can also tell the ones on different deals from the guys who get to keep a big chunk on the make up deal to those on the freeroll deal who keep an average chunk. From the moment people make their first bet the sizing etc you then start thinking about the type of player they are. And with some players you don't even have to wait for their first bet.... Sometimes the 30 second pause before they fold every hand tells you something.

You must have missed it, but there were a couple of posts on previous pages itt about what you can "know" from a hendonmob.

i did read it James. You can pick up plenty from someone's hendonmob. I do accept you can't draw any conclusions from someone who does not have any profile.  For instance I see a guy who has results in his local casino where I might know some of the players there and strike up a conversation and make him feel more at ease and like I'm his friend.

I remember playing in the European open in the Vic Oct 2010 and Matt Jarvis was on my table with Joseph Cheung. There was a couple of people hanging around and Matt was holding court telling everyone that he really had a great chance in November. Joseph nearly covered everyone when spitting his tea out when I asked him "before he got lucky in the wsop this summer, was he just dicking about in $500 comps prior to this ". Just breaks the ice don't it.


I ain't got the tackle or enough confidence for the above Titty but will have a word with Mrs H and see if we can hook you up for a 30 second team viewer session if that's your bag

You have learned nothing .

Nice namedrops tho.

Hmm unfair imo, fair enough using it to identify people and strike up a convo. I was sat opposite Xuan Lui in Vegas and didn't really know who she was but recognised her from the telly, quick HM helped a lot tbf, good conversation starter - which then made her mad cos I "outted" her to rest of the table, think that spoilt my chances

[Skgv]

4. I can't see that knowing stuff about your opponents is a bad thing. Please don't think that I think the hendonmob is the be all and end all. I  am profiling people from the moment we sit down at the tables.  My latest trick at Dtd is being able to spot the Bankroll Supply players at the table within a couple of orbits. You can also tell the ones on different deals from the guys who get to keep a big chunk on the make up deal to those on the freeroll deal who keep an average chunk. From the moment people make their first bet the sizing etc you then start thinking about the type of player they are. And with some players you don't even have to wait for their first bet.... Sometimes the 30 second pause before they fold every hand tells you something.

You must have missed it, but there were a couple of posts on previous pages itt about what you can "know" from a hendonmob.

i did read it James. You can pick up plenty from someone's hendonmob. I do accept you can't draw any conclusions from someone who does not have any profile.  For instance I see a guy who has results in his local casino where I might know some of the players there and strike up a conversation and make him feel more at ease and like I'm his friend.

I remember playing in the European open in the Vic Oct 2010 and Matt Jarvis was on my table with Joseph Cheung. There was a couple of people hanging around and Matt was holding court telling everyone that he really had a great chance in November. Joseph nearly covered everyone when spitting his tea out when I asked him "before he got lucky in the wsop this summer, was he just dicking about in $500 comps prior to this ". Just breaks the ice don't it.


I ain't got the tackle or enough confidence for the above Titty but will have a word with Mrs H and see if we can hook you up for a 30 second team viewer session if that's your bag

ive just arrived back from a night on the town an one thing drinking does it helps say it as it is Jason. This thread was meant to help you focus being a pro poker player as you had declared you had lost your confidence an needed guidance to put you back on track an yet I feel others have failed to point out some home truths in case they offended you or we're judged in a bad light by others.

I don't give a flying fuck what any one things an its about time you realise to be. Pro player that makes a living from poker is the same as working at tescos stacking shelfs an working is way up to being a manger of the vegetables department as part of growth of climbing the ladder of financial gain as well as getting the respect of his peers.

All the excuses of variance is of no relevance as if you have the right mindset from day 1 an perhaps the ability you would not find yourself at the mercy of this forum asking for advice an sympathy in your current plight. If I was an older brother which I am to my younger bother I would say to you it's down to you what your destiny lies an get off your lazy ass an do something about it instead of blaming this that or the other an for once in your life be honest to yourself.

Maybe it's time you have lived in the delusion you are something you are not an the only  time you can really come to terms with this is through you excepting the fact you are not as good as you thought u were an then only then can you make the adjustments to begin a new chapter your life. I hope for your sake you cAn acknowledge where you have gone wrong in order to move on ! Good luck in your quest to find the right path. Big Charra

[skolsuper]

4. I can't see that knowing stuff about your opponents is a bad thing. Please don't think that I think the hendonmob is the be all and end all. I  am profiling people from the moment we sit down at the tables.  My latest trick at Dtd is being able to spot the Bankroll Supply players at the table within a couple of orbits. You can also tell the ones on different deals from the guys who get to keep a big chunk on the make up deal to those on the freeroll deal who keep an average chunk. From the moment people make their first bet the sizing etc you then start thinking about the type of player they are. And with some players you don't even have to wait for their first bet.... Sometimes the 30 second pause before they fold every hand tells you something.

You must have missed it, but there were a couple of posts on previous pages itt about what you can "know" from a hendonmob.

i did read it James. You can pick up plenty from someone's hendonmob. I do accept you can't draw any conclusions from someone who does not have any profile.  For instance I see a guy who has results in his local casino where I might know some of the players there and strike up a conversation and make him feel more at ease and like I'm his friend.

I remember playing in the European open in the Vic Oct 2010 and Matt Jarvis was on my table with Joseph Cheung. There was a couple of people hanging around and Matt was holding court telling everyone that he really had a great chance in November. Joseph nearly covered everyone when spitting his tea out when I asked him "before he got lucky in the wsop this summer, was he just dicking about in $500 comps prior to this ". Just breaks the ice don't it.


I ain't got the tackle or enough confidence for the above Titty but will have a word with Mrs H and see if we can hook you up for a 30 second team viewer session if that's your bag

ive just arrived back from a night on the town an one thing drinking does it helps say it as it is Jason. This thread was meant to help you focus being a pro poker player as you had declared you had lost your confidence an needed guidance to put you back on track an yet I feel others have failed to point out some home truths in case they offended you or we're judged in a bad light by others.

I don't give a flying fuck what any one things an its about time you realise to be. Pro player that makes a living from poker is the same as working at tescos stacking shelfs an working is way up to being a manger of the vegetables department as part of growth of climbing the ladder of financial gain as well as getting the respect of his peers.

All the excuses of variance is of no relevance as if you have the right mindset from day 1 an perhaps the ability you would not find yourself at the mercy of this forum asking for advice an sympathy in your current plight. If I was an older brother which I am to my younger bother I would say to you it's down to you what your destiny lies an get off your lazy ass an do something about it instead of blaming this that or the other an for once in your life be honest to yourself.

Maybe it's time you have lived in the delusion you are something you are not an the only  time you can really come to terms with this is through you excepting the fact you are not as good as you thought u were an then only then can you make the adjustments to begin a new chapter your life. I hope for your sake you cAn acknowledge where you have gone wrong in order to move on ! Good luck in your quest to find the right path. Big Charra

Quoted, going nowhere.

[LB44]

The bit about PeeJay is a bit tounge in cheek but he does not posses that table aura that some of the younger players have. When sat opposite Tommy Bingham, Liam Batty, Tom Langley, Tom Kuggelstadt, etc they have an air of confidence that PeeJay does not have. PeeJay looks to be caught in the headlights but is undoubtedly got the ability.

Hi Jason,

Im only on page 17 after starting from page 1 and fascinated by this whole thread and thought I would take a breather and post now, and rejoin the thread where I left it tomorrow as its so much info to digest.

I was quite humbled to be put in your little bracket of "air of confidence live young players" along with good players such as Tommy Bingham and Tom Kugg.

I definatly DONT think Peejay lacks confidence, after his win in the GP, he seemed to have gained alot and I saw him making alot more moves and getting extra creative, and his "rabbit in headlights look" when he plays is just part of his whole aura at the table, much like Tom Dwan looks hypnotised sometimes.

I dont think I can add anything more to the thread than what people have said already, but just coming from somebody who feels your pain, in live tournamernts and the fustration you must feel. I think like alot of people are suggesting, you need to do some hard work and study and learn the game. Maybe the game has passed you by just recently. I have been playing 9 years now, started off online in rediculous 1000NL and 2000NL games on 888.com and I thought I was unbeatable, generally crushing for weeks on end, but looking back the players I was playing against were so terrible it gave me a false sense of winning, when in reality it was setting me up to fail when I crossed over to the other side of the varience line where I was playing bad and running bad, and lost some rediculous amounts.

Studied really hard at the game like 5 years ago and its paid for alot of things in my life and alot of things for my future, just clicking buttons, its mad to think about it in real life terms. My friends think its crazy. After the whole FTP fiasco, I was pretty much crushed online as stupidly all my funds were in there to play poker with as I had just put a large deposit down on  a house and a new car with my bankroll from stars. So feeling pretty bitter about online poker, I stopped playing live "for fun" during mid week, and started playing the weekend festival tournaments but in order to do this without using all my real life income I   started geting staking and had a few nice results then got backed fully, however  2012 has been pretty terrible year for me in live poker. Like you getting down to the last few tables of the UKIPT Nottingham the only real highlight, yet ultimatly a huge disappiontment. All the day 2's I couldn't convert into anthing.

 Even losing my cool during one £500 deepstack when I was stationed down by top pair when I was running a tournament life bluff, and on the drive home I felt embarrssed by my actions, although not really aggressive or seriously out of line, I just must have come across when I left the table muttering under my breath about how I thought his call was less than optimal as a sore loser.
It was a wake up call and I started to study hard at the game, getting coaching and playing online again and it felt good to have that winning feeling back, its a good way to build your confidence back up, I was only playing 10,20,30,50 euro buyin MTT's but it was fun again.
I was still playing live but I was getting fustrated and annoyed at myself not winning anything because I was letting my backer down who had been so good to me and I felt like I didnt deserve his confidence in me anymore. We have ended our arrangement now, and Ive took a month away from live poker to get coaching online, learn and watch. I feel refreshed, and ready to go. I played last weeks £150 and played alot better than I have this year coming close to the money losing a flip with 77 v KQ and then next hand losing with KK v Q7, but as I took a sick beat I didnt feel fustrated, I didnt feel low on confidence, I didnt feel dejected, because I know I made the right discision in every hand I played that day, and yes I lost but if I keep playing good, I should win eventually. I'll be playing tomorrow and the GPS and the dtd500 for myself but then I may take a backseat and put large volumes in online once my FTP money has been credited to my bank account, and start staking a few friends of mine who I know are good but just need a little help playing bigger comps. I dont know, i'll see.

Sorry to go on a long winded post about myself, I just tried to get you to understand your not alone in feeling like this Jason. I do think you need to take a complete break away from Poker, go on holiday with the family, find something else to do for awhile and when you feel the hunger coming back, then do some homework!!! and come back a better player. It seems like your just playing poker for the sake of playing, you need to get that fire back and be that Jason Herbert who when I was at the table with I used to fear, now, and I dont mean to sound disrespectful in anyway or anything, but I dont give you a second thought if you were on my starting table or I joined your table. You just seem to go through the motions and your too nice a character to be feared, I know your a very talented player, Ive seen it myself, but the game changes so much, you need to keep improving and I dont think you are.

Im routing for you to come back a better player than what you once were, and being a better player, and confident, you will start winning again.

Liam BatEy, not Batty haha

P.S. sorry for the poor grammar and spelling if any, typed all on my iphone like a complete boss!!

[smashedagain]

 Lol. I don't take much personally Pete and appreciate what you are saying and your input.  Keys is just quoting you so you can't delete later, not that you would.

Just spent 2 1/2 hours in A & E with the wife because as we were going up the stairs to bed at 10.30 she decided it would be fun to do some Bruce Lee drop kick on me and did an epic fail and ended up on her back.


Thanks for your advice too Liam. That's another great post that I can take a lot from thank you.

[Skgv]

Lol. I don't take much personally Pete and appreciate what you are saying and your input.  Keys is just quoting you so you can't delete later, not that you would.

Just spent 2 1/2 hours in A & E with the wife because as we were going up the stairs to bed at 10.30 she decided it would be fun to do some Bruce Lee drop kick on me and did an epic fail and ended up on her back.


Thanks for your advice too Liam. That's another great post that I can take a lot from thank you.

Wow did I write that last nite! Must of been steaming, on serious note hope wifey ok!. Obv have to stand by comments as ink don't lie.

[david3103]

Hope Mrs H is ok.

[smashedagain]

Hey David. The wife's aching all over and badly bruised arm but nothing broke. We are always messing about playing silly buggers but I thought she may have been seriously hurt as she lay there flat on her back.

The stuff you write is all cool and there was nothing I found offensive in any of it. I think the thing that hurts most is the fact that people genuinely think that I am not concentrating and just having a laugh. This should not bother me at all as that's is the impression that I am wanting to give at the table.

The truth is all in the title of the thread. Confidence is low so playing badly. I know that I played JJ badly even tho I had a plan. If I raise when the action gets to me in the small blind maybe PeeJay still jams thinking I am squeezing Roger folds and I go on to accumulate more chips instead of beating myself up and fading away.

The lack of confidence means you start deviating from the game you know and play best. The truth is I have exited most comps lately by playing badly and have played a lot of hands badly. I hope that the answer is not that the game has moved on and left me behind. Guys that I taught to play poker are still winning seat into every Dtd comp, finaling and giq as they say.

It's all a work in progress and something I am prepared to work on.

[PeeJay]

Fwiw I wouldn't of jammed my hand if you'd have raised from the small because I think your range is usually gonna be pretty strong there and A8o is doing horribly vs that range. I kinda like your idea tbh but I also think you're massively overestimating how often I am going to be jamming in that spot. I know you said at the time something about 'any two cards' when in reality it's going to be a hand with some equity or blockers, I'm not going to be punting in there with 74o even if I've given off this illusion that I'm tilting or whatever and 'ready to blow'.

Losing a 1/3 of my starting stack in that tournament in that short period of time is not going to effect my decision making and overall thought process. (Had a lot worse hangs happen) So don't overestimate people states of minds with little evidence backing it up because it may end up with you levelling your self and making incorrect decisions vs them.

I also think JJ is right on the edge, I don't think folding can ever be that bad, pretty much snap fold 1010 and snap call QQ so either way is fine I guess. I do think AQ is somewhere near the bottom of that old guys range in that spot so I wouldn't beat yourself up about it too much. If every hand we played went 'according to plan' there'd be no need for pha and we'd all be filthy rich.

[cambridgealex]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

[CHIPPYMAN]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

Really ?? The tightest boy in Dtd blow up???

[PeeJay]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

Really ?? The tightest boy in Dtd blow up???

Frankie knows everything there is to know about tight boys

[cambridgealex]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

Really ?? The tightest boy in Dtd blow up???

Frankie knows everything there is to know about tight boys

Pretty quick joke for you at 12pm?

[CHIPPYMAN]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

Really ?? The tightest boy in Dtd blow up???

Frankie knows everything there is to know about tight boys

The new Chinese " Jimmy Saville " .
Watch out  boys

[cambridgealex]

I agree with Jason, you seemed ready to blow mate.

Really ?? The tightest boy in Dtd blow up???

Frankie knows everything there is to know about tight boys

The new Chinese " Jimmy Saville " .
Watch out  boys

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