WPT Hand 2. A7 on 754.

[cambridgealex]

A few hours into day three we're on the same table. Have a reasonably active image and have a few hands of history with villain. The main one being him 4b/calling 35bbs vs me with AQo from mp vs btn, in a standard spot (edit: reasonably standard) . I had kings and won. He still has a big stack and I've since lost most of what I won in that hand, with 66<A3o aip and two preflop battles lost.

He is french canadian, well built guy in late 20s I guess. Seems to be playing alright, to me, one of the better players at the table.

I open in middle position playing 235k at 3k 6k. He snap calls the bb without thought.

he checks I bet 12k he raises to 32k. I tank a long time to consider the best line and decide to call.

he checks. Not sure what he has, but have seen lots of these players in this comp raise this sort of flop with like JThh and then turn a Jack and check. So that was in my mind. But I wasn't really sure what he had to be honest. I guess I should've raised the flop to find out where I stood eh Aaron!

he takes a long time and then bets 54k. We??

Thoughts on all three streets please.

[chelseaboy]

I think I would of re raised the 32k on the flop but looking at the hand and how its played out, I wouldnt be suprised if he hit the flush on the river!!

The check on the turn looks suspicious if he had any sort of hand would he not of bet the turn?

[lucky_scrote]

Flop is fine turn is fine and I think only you can make the right decision on the river, I'd need to be at the table and have a good feel for how good he is.

What is he repping? Well on the flop if he's betting big on the river he's not repping much apart from a flush draw but why has he checked the turn? The jack is quite a good card for him to bet as you aren't improving. If he has 67 or something then why is he betting so much?


His line doesn't make much sense unless he's played a flush draw badly or he's got lucky and has a Jack. Call.

[Rupert]

wp, fold unless you want to call and lose vs 88

[lucky_scrote]

wp, fold unless you want to call and lose vs 88

If the guy is any good yeah fold. I'm getting the impression he's an idiot though?

EDIT* Nvm OP says he's been playing good. Fold fo sho

[tight4better]

I'm probably calling here. Could easily see him betting a counterfeited hand like 75/54 or a bricked 6, or 66. Or a worse 7.

I guess I should've raised the flop to find out where I stood eh Aaron!

Don't feed the trolls.

[Tal]

Now the question has been answered by people who know what they're doing...

What is the reasoning behind calling on the flop? I know you have pre-empted the "you should raise to find out where you are" and I don't like raising for information - you either bet because you think you're ahead or you bet because you think you're behind and you can only win by getting him to fold.

Calling a raise and then c/r on a seven high but damp board doesn't scream "he's ahead of A7" to me in this standard of comp. You call his raise and I don't know what you're hoping to see on the turn. By the river, you're not sure where you are, despite there only being one over card.

On the turn, he is either c/r, c/c or c/f. Is there an argument for a bet here? You think you're still in front (I know you've seen some people play JT that way but it is only one over and it isn't beyond the realms of possibility he has a six, a five or worse) so make him commit if he wants to get funky. It is asking a lot for him to go bananas (when you say he has a big stack, I assume doubling you up would hurt him?) with a hand given your action to that point - you call a c/r and then bet when he checks an over. If he has you crushed, he calls or raises and you can assess from there. Highly unlikely you put another chip in behind.

When the river comes, as played, he has to bet any losing hands - your hand is reasonably clear here IMO - as he knows there's a decent chance of a fold. He also bets any jack and any boat (although whether he checks the turn with a set is debatable).

My point is you've only saved money here if you're behind. If you bet 35k on the turn, or if you click the flop, the river is an easy decision.

Now I'm happy to take your (collective) word that you played this better than I have suggested, but I'd be interested to know why what I've suggested is either wrong or not as good as your line.

[SuuPRlim]

wat do we think about folding the flop?

Sure we have the best hand enough of the time but he CAN'T have nothing on this board (like even his weakest hands are gonna have some equity) and we're going to play nasty guessing games on later streets for quite a bit of equity.

Vs his legit c/r range we're in bad shape and the only bluffy hands we do really well against are the NFD combo's and even those have 12 outs against us.

[youthnkzR]

wat do we think about folding the flop?

Sure we have the best hand enough of the time but he CAN'T have nothing on this board (like even his weakest hands are gonna have some equity) and we're going to play nasty guessing games on later streets for quite a bit of equity.

Vs his legit c/r range we're in bad shape and the only bluffy hands we do really well against are the NFD combo's and even those have 12 outs against us.

i think folding the flop is fine

*and possibly the best option

[cambridgealex]

so do I. don't think any street is straightforward to be honest.

[pleno1]

check back flop?

not being results orientated

[lucky_scrote]

check back flop?

not being results orientated

you'll be alright

[cambridgealex]

Boom, had the same guy on my EPT table, we spoke on a break about this hand, (I folded river btw) he said he had for flopped world and rivered flush.

Then he tried to bluff me for all my stack in level 3, that didn't happen, so we got him back

[LonOhRay]

Flop then? would bring bdfd changes it again

Makes some difference

[cambridgealex]

Flop then? would bring bdfd changes it again

Makes some difference

yeh guess i got that wrong