Martin O Neil

[TightEnd]

So, Martin O'Neill, job safe?
Decent record as a manager?

Possibly not

Yes, overall


Now back to celtic :-)

[Teacake]

So, Martin O'Neill, job safe?
Decent record as a manager?

You would think he's safe for at least the next few months, he'll hoping to do some business in the window. I think he's a good fit for Sunderland. Having said that  he really needs a result against Reading on Wednesday.

[aaron1867]

Fan base is clearly a good measure, not the measure but a good one.

and Celtic are clearly a massive club, you only need to look at any home Champions League match to see that.

But this is pretty pointed at all clubs, no? Anyone can have a better atmosphere on a CL match.

What you forget to mention is when there support is pretty poor, apparently they got 15k in a cup match at the weeken? Would these massive clubs ever get 15k in any sort of match?

Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Ajax, Juve, Milan, Inter & others, do they ever get 15k?

The fact is that Celtic are not cared about anywhere other than Scotland.

I don't know why I'm bothering but here goes

The atmosphere generated by the fans in Celtic’s stadium for our visit was the most impressive I’ve ever witnessed. The grounds of Liverpool and Manchester United are good and the hostile feeling of playing against Real Madrid in the Bernabeu is also excellent, but the atmosphere against Celtic was the best.
Xavi (Barcelona) (Sep 2004)

"Every professional footballer should seek to play at least one game at Celtic Park. I have never felt anything like it"
Paolo Maldini (AC Milan & Italy legend)

"Celtic fans are some of the greatest supporters I know," he said.
AC Milan midfielder Clarence Seedorf (Oct 2007)

"The Celtic fans are incredible. It is always great to play there."
Cristiano Ronaldo, Man U (2008)

"When I was at Porto my team also played in the UEFA Cup final against a Scottish side - but it was Celtic. I've never seen such emotional people. It was unbelievable!"
Jose Mourinho (ex-Porto Manager) looking back on thae UEFA cup final 2003 (May 2008)

"It is absolutely spectacular to see the fans like that "
Alberto Gilardino (Italian footballer)

"The Celtic fans are very special and the club and players can be very proud of them. They are the best I have ever heard"
Andres Iniesta (Barcelona Player, Oct 2012) before Celtic 2-1 Barcelona

"I have played many games for Spain/Barca but I've never heard fans like Celtic, they were amazing, not quiet for a single second!"
Andres Iniesta (Barcelona Player, Oct 2012) after Celtic 2-1 Barcelona


Aaron it's fine to have different opinions but you seem to revel in going against the grain on pretty much everything. When you are presented with evidence that contradicts your assertions you don't seem to able to take it on board at all. When you do this repeatedly people just don't respect that opinion.

You seem to be missing the point - A great atmosphere makes you a massive club? we are discussin whether Celtic are a big club and you have replied with "atmosphere was great"

what you forget to mention that you apparently massive club got 15k (might not be accurate 100%), but you don't give us that example.

Big club? Perhaps, maybe, not not even close on the "massive" scale.

PS - Not just me saying this.

[TightEnd]

"All you keep doing is giving me links to how many fans you have."


That's the point Aaron. It's a decent measure of how big a club is. Celtic can't control which league they play in, or the strength of those they play in that league but the global supporter base is so big....

A point you don't seem to be willing to accept despite many links of evidence being shown to you

[Teacake]

So, Martin O'Neill, job safe?
Decent record as a manager?

Now back to celtic :-)

Ha ha I said this would happen on page 1

[TightEnd]

to be fair, 3 years ago such a debate would have been deleted in a welter of recrimination, flaming and Scottish Daveness :-)

At least the debate is civil.


Progress

[aaron1867]

"All you keep doing is giving me links to how many fans you have."


That's the point Aaron. It's a decent measure of how big a club is. Celtic can't control which league they play in, or the strength of those they play in that league but the global supporter base is so big....

A point you don't seem to be willing to accept despite many links of evidence being shown to you

A club that has loads of fans that makes it massive?

If we go by that example, then we are not far behind them.

A lot more than fans make a club 'big or 'massive' - My point is that there are plenty of bigger clubs than Celtic, they are not massive.

[aaron1867]

Ps _ I would like to look like MON when I am 60+

[Snowball]

So your only arguement is a crowd of 15k in a Cup match against Arbroath which a lot of fans were Boycotting??

[kukushkin88]

Ps _ I would like to look like MON when I am 60+

0:50 to 0:52

[TightEnd]

"All you keep doing is giving me links to how many fans you have."


That's the point Aaron. It's a decent measure of how big a club is. Celtic can't control which league they play in, or the strength of those they play in that league but the global supporter base is so big....

A point you don't seem to be willing to accept despite many links of evidence being shown to you

A club that has loads of fans that makes it massive?

If we go by that example, then we are not far behind them.

A lot more than fans make a club 'big or 'massive' - My point is that there are plenty of bigger clubs than Celtic, they are not massive.

Sheff Wed are a far far bigger team than Fulham, Wigan, Reading etc etc

The league you play in is less important than the core and then the casual support you have

Sheff Wed are, minimum, are top 15 big club in England


Yes, celtic are massive!

[Teacake]

Fan base is clearly a good measure, not the measure but a good one.

and Celtic are clearly a massive club, you only need to look at any home Champions League match to see that.

But this is pretty pointed at all clubs, no? Anyone can have a better atmosphere on a CL match.

What you forget to mention is when there support is pretty poor, apparently they got 15k in a cup match at the weeken? Would these massive clubs ever get 15k in any sort of match?

Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Ajax, Juve, Milan, Inter & others, do they ever get 15k?

The fact is that Celtic are not cared about anywhere other than Scotland.

I don't know why I'm bothering but here goes

The atmosphere generated by the fans in Celtic’s stadium for our visit was the most impressive I’ve ever witnessed. The grounds of Liverpool and Manchester United are good and the hostile feeling of playing against Real Madrid in the Bernabeu is also excellent, but the atmosphere against Celtic was the best.
Xavi (Barcelona) (Sep 2004)

"Every professional footballer should seek to play at least one game at Celtic Park. I have never felt anything like it"
Paolo Maldini (AC Milan & Italy legend)

"Celtic fans are some of the greatest supporters I know," he said.
AC Milan midfielder Clarence Seedorf (Oct 2007)

"The Celtic fans are incredible. It is always great to play there."
Cristiano Ronaldo, Man U (2008)

"When I was at Porto my team also played in the UEFA Cup final against a Scottish side - but it was Celtic. I've never seen such emotional people. It was unbelievable!"
Jose Mourinho (ex-Porto Manager) looking back on thae UEFA cup final 2003 (May 2008)

"It is absolutely spectacular to see the fans like that "
Alberto Gilardino (Italian footballer)

"The Celtic fans are very special and the club and players can be very proud of them. They are the best I have ever heard"
Andres Iniesta (Barcelona Player, Oct 2012) before Celtic 2-1 Barcelona

"I have played many games for Spain/Barca but I've never heard fans like Celtic, they were amazing, not quiet for a single second!"
Andres Iniesta (Barcelona Player, Oct 2012) after Celtic 2-1 Barcelona


Aaron it's fine to have different opinions but you seem to revel in going against the grain on pretty much everything. When you are presented with evidence that contradicts your assertions you don't seem to able to take it on board at all. When you do this repeatedly people just don't respect that opinion.

You seem to be missing the point - A great atmosphere makes you a massive club? we are discussin whether Celtic are a big club and you have replied with "atmosphere was great"

what you forget to mention that you apparently massive club got 15k (might not be accurate 100%), but you don't give us that example.

Big club? Perhaps, maybe, not not even close on the "massive" scale.

PS - Not just me saying this.

This is hard work, I was answering the specific point about anyone having a better atmosphere at a CL game.

Yes there 15000 at the Arbroath game last week, I'm not sure what your point is there. The average attendance over the last 10 years or so since the stadium was reconstructed is in the mid 50000s. I could dig the actual stats out but I think I would be wasting more of my time.

Is this an attention thing with you btw?

[Snowball]

"All you keep doing is giving me links to how many fans you have."


That's the point Aaron. It's a decent measure of how big a club is. Celtic can't control which league they play in, or the strength of those they play in that league but the global supporter base is so big....

A point you don't seem to be willing to accept despite many links of evidence being shown to you

A club that has loads of fans that makes it massive?

If we go by that example, then we are not far behind them.

A lot more than fans make a club 'big or 'massive' - My point is that there are plenty of bigger clubs than Celtic, they are not massive.

Palace???
Ok, so what do we need to tick the Boxes of being "Big or massive"?

[The Baron]

So, Martin O'Neill, job safe?
Decent record as a manager?

Yes if the board have any sense.

Yes.

[The Baron]

to be fair, 3 years ago such a debate would have been deleted in a welter of recrimination, flaming and Scottish Daveness :-)

At least the debate is civil.


Progress

About the third time you've made me laugh out loud on this thread! WP Sir.