Can I fold here?

[MilkShake]

Okay so just got back from DTD. Early exit from the Incredible 100.

The hand went like this.

The blinds are 200/400 a25. My stack at the start of the hand is 20,500

An early position player limps in and I look down at  . Make it 1,050 and a player in the cutoff called as well as the player who limped. The flop comes down  . The limp caller checks and my thought process was that because its a pretty wet board I should bet out any draws or make them pay to see the turn. Also it looks like a standard C-bet so i put in 2,100. The cutoff called and the limper folded. the turn was  and i fired out 3,600 and was called. the river was  so with the board reading  I fired out 5,500. The guy asked for the pot to be spread which at this point was now about 20,875 including my bet of 5,500. He then jammed his chips across the line and I called. He tabled  for the flush.

My thought process was that i was pretty willing to believe him had the river of been a heart but i just couldnt see him calling the flop with 2 diamonds. I literally thought the only hand im beat by i can put him on is KK or a KdXd hand. I also thought he might think i was overplaying AK so he might shove with 2 pair so i figured i would be ahead of most of his range there.

What I also would like to know is can I fold there? after all the betting action (20,500 - 1,050 - 2,100 - 3,600 - 5,500) it leaves me with a stack of around 8,250 (20.625 BB) and I think its a pretty sick fold in that spot. But does anyone here let that go and think/know they are beat?

Please get back to me as im pretty stumped and would like to know what you guys would have done.

Thanks.

[LonOhRay]

The pot on the flop is 4000 and your stack is 19000, I wouldn't be looking to have any chips left over by the river to have this decision if possible.

Something like 2300 flop makes the pot on the turn 8.6k and you then have 16.5k behind

A bet of 4500 on the turn followed by a call then leaves the pot 17.6k with 12000 chips left behind, a very easy amount to just jam on the river. - Your hand is so super strong that you do want to get as much money in as possible.


As played the only hands you are losing to are the JT/QJ/QT/67/78dd and some Kxdd as you said, but with so much money in the middle it really is hard to find a fold here.

[George2Loose]

I understand re the money in the pot but I think you've played it in a way where u can fold river. Depends how often you think villain is capable of bluffing here or raising worse hands for value.

Think 20 bigs is more than enough live to soldier on. Having said that, I'd find it really difficult to not just flick it in here and nod my head when I see his hand.

[SuuPRlim]

yh like flop sizing but bet bigger on the turn and shove the river you dont have this horrible river spot + you just get way more value as I think a lot of time he'll call the turn and fold the river + you get more vs his draws etc

[tight4better]

Think you CAN fold, but as played I don't think I would.

[scotty77]

Agree with the rest.  Just bet bigger turn so then you can just jam river.

[zerofive]

Agree with bigger bets post, bet/bet/jam is ideal here.

As played I think the river is a fold. Most players aren't going to shove worse hands here for the following reasons:

- KQ/KJ/55 probably raises flop or turn and flats this river as played
- I don't think anyone is limping a hand that makes two pair even though this is live.
- The "spread the pot" ordeal is a pretty standard weak-means-strong tell versus most recreational players.

Just feels like a spot where we don't really know how they have it, but they just have it.

I'm going to lose all credibility here, but thoughts on folding pre?

[George2Loose]

Folding 99 pre to a limp?

[zerofive]

Folding 99 pre to a limp?

it's live and we're gonna get 17 callers. feel like iso bigger, iso otb, else i don't mind folding

if it's tez just say so, i don't play mtts, not used to having 50 bigs!

[George2Loose]

Not saying its tez but I'd at least limp but would iso personally and yeh bigger pre

[MilkShake]

Agree with bigger bets post, bet/bet/jam is ideal here.

As played I think the river is a fold. Most players aren't going to shove worse hands here for the following reasons:

- KQ/KJ/55 probably raises flop or turn and flats this river as played
- I don't think anyone is limping a hand that makes two pair even though this is live.
- The "spread the pot" ordeal is a pretty standard weak-means-strong tell versus most recreational players.

Just feels like a spot where we don't really know how they have it, but they just have it.

I'm going to lose all credibility here, but thoughts on folding pre?

The opponent i was up against was the player in the cutoff not the player who limp called to see the flop.

Thanks for all the responses. The general view is that i should bet bigger so next time ill probably step it up a notch. In this case like a couple of you have said I could have folded and left myself with 20BB which is more than enough to keep grinding with, Even if it would be a pretty sickening fold.

[SuuPRlim]

dont like limping pre with antes, defo iso to 1600~ imo make sure you dont get lots of callers. IF you thought this was locked to go 5 or 6 handed unless you raised to 3k then id limp but seems like a mandatory raise preflop.

IF you had an inkling that the limper was the limp re-raise type then id consider a limp as well but you'd need to be pretty sure as, imo 99 is a really, really stnd ISO here.

[pleno1]

Wtf folding pre would be beyond terrible??

River is a clear fold, don't pos results next time but so many dd combos he can have

Qj
Q10
J10
K5
K7
K8
K10
Kq
Kj
A9
Q9
J9
910
A10
Aj

[cambridgealex]

Folding 66 pre would be terrible

[SuuPRlim]

still think you can jam the river tbh he has us covered by a bit yh?

bet/fold has to be abso fine as well i just like jamming these spots live cos I think you'll get called by a LOT of kings on this specific runout

flush missed didnt it