SuperStud Freeroll time

[SuuPRlim]

When you've done the hand TJ and 77D, would love you to talk about why you show the up cards you do and some of the strategy behind it all

Jim you have A-3-5cc, and you show the 3, to hide the Ace and the flush potential?


Fascinating game, and I am crap at it

as an unwritten rule you should never reveal an ACE as the betting starts each round from the highest shown hand, so Ace high will very often have to act first on a lot of the streets.

Which other cards to show is an interesting point, me personally in THIS example with   my "stnd" play would be to reveal the - reason for this is imo Superstud isn't a game where you need to be overly deceptive about what you're "going for" as I much prefer to be making people fold - so if I pick up a low club next card I wanna use the perception of me having a flush draw to try get more folds (this is a "safer" play because all i need is one more club then I DO ACTUALLY have a flush draw!)

However there are loads of good reasons to show the offsuit card as well - Stu B who I think is maybe the best I ever seen play this game very often does what you did here and show the offsuit three.

Its really cool though picking which card to show and thinking about all the possibilities down the streets with each card you've shown, obviously depends massively on what cards you get but still fun

One question for you R.E this hand - what was your plan on a bricked 6th street? say you get the ? Also what would you have done on a high spade?

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Yeah if only Dtd had a phone charging stand like the g !!!

[SuuPRlim]

bet!

You have far and away the best hand your decisions are whether you try keep them both in the pot (which yur most likely just going to get half of) or whether you try and force them off there high hands. The most logical assumption here is that they both have trips - if we pot this 6th street then they should defo both fold but in reality they prolly wont.

I like your play on 5th street taking control with the strongest board. You have the best, 100% live draw like you say chk.call here and you basically say to the table I HAVE PAIRED MY ACE NOW! also you should never get raised here ever which is nice.

For me I think you should pot and try get them both folding, also if they both call then thats amazing and if you pick one of them up thats fine too as you've got a lot of card to freeroll them with. Obviously them both calling, or both folding are the best results.

What if - hypothetically of course - I had J-J under & hit another J on 4th street?

in theory that's the same thing but it's defo slightly  better for us because on the surface because WC will wanna bet against TJ perceived 999 and TJ will get the money in against WC as he has now in his mind over-tripped him, and we can carve half this pot up happily!

This will end up heads up and be split a high % of the time- the more people are winning the better as you should be able to get more folds as its the last hand. Either way we can't lose lol

[tikay]

Well 77Dave was showing what LOOKED like.....

1) A made Low.

2) A possible flush.

WC was showing.....

Q-T. I was almost certain he had T-T-T, so I had him well beaten. Probably. And he called 77Daves jam.

And so I.......folded.

Because........whilst I am sure I have WC beat, 77Dave (first to act) has lead out, covers me, & can be scooping the lot here. I cover WC (assumed T-T-T) by a few hundred.

[77dave]

One of the best aspects in stud games is that position can change as they hand goes along. On 4th street i was in position on most of the players, hitting the   on 5th street although appearing to be a monster card has not taken me out of position.

So depending on if either of the other 2 pair up which obv changes the strength of their hands and regives us position im in quite a tough spot if i do brick the turn.

I know you said 100% of the time we cant get raised by WC went we bet the £100 i kinda see the raise as his best play as he is never going to fold even if i hit   next card. So he is actually better off jamming with 2 cards to come rather than calling it all off with 1 card remaining.

So i guess the plan on bricking the next street either totally or improving my draw is another blocker/value bet prob £200

[77dave]

Well 77Dave was showing what LOOKED like.....

1) A made Low.

2) A possible flush.

3) A possible wheel.

WC was showing.....

Q-T. I was almost certain he had T-T-T, so I had him well beaten. Probably. And he called 77Daves jam.

And so I.......folded.

Because........whilst I am sure I have WC beat, 77Dave (first to act) has lead out, covers me, & can be scooping the lot here. I cover WC (assumed T-T-T) by a few hundred.

FYP

[tikay]

Also true.

Still a fold for me with my J-J-J. My very best hope is a chop, but I genuinely thought you could well have both ends.

You bet £700 or whatever, WC calls, the pot is well north of £2,000. I have to fold.

If you bet £300, I probably call though. Which is daft.

[SuuPRlim]

You made a good fold Tikay.

Pot if you all go all in will be £2,800 main and £1k sidepot (you and 77dave), you have to put in £1200 once we know WC is all in as well and you know you will win the low never and it's pretty much nailed on 77dave has the low so you're pots are £1400 and £500 and WC still has 7-9 full house outs (you do as well ofc) and lets not forget 77dave has to have at least 6 high outs against you, so you are investing £1200 to win £1900 no gte of having the best hand and minimum 13 outs to dodge being scooped - lets not forget ofc you can make a boat as well.

These are not spots you wanna get yourself into for big money in SuperStud.

I would never like to be critical but you got yourself into this messy spot (which you got out of cheaply wp) with the call pre-3rd street, problem with JJ9 is that you're only ever really making high hands with it and in a pot that's gonna go multi-way you are just inviting yourself to be free-rolled by playing this hand to start with.

If he bets £300, it's slightly different as you're getting a way better price to make a boat now, speshly with WC and his inferior trips in the hand.

Jim / dave I think you played the hand really good, I kinda want you to bet more on 5th but I actually think the size you bet might be perfect - I would have 100% bet more in game but i'm a bit trigger happy like that

[tikay]

Yup, I deffo should have bailed out earlier, but I just kept looking at my J-J-J, & WC's asumed T-T-T. Then Jim solved my problem by Potting, so I ducked out. Deffo should have folded earlier though.

I had another groan spot in Super-Stud, too.

I had 4-5 under, showed a 3, & drew the wheel-tastic 2.

Guy to my left is showing all Broadway stuff, Paul Garnham is showing what eventually looks like a 7 low, and a flush.  

By 6th street I have double-paired, having drawn a 5 & a 3. So, 2-3-3-4-5-5.

BIG 3 way pot, & I can scoop, chop 2 ways, or lose the lot.

My 7th street was a 2, so I miiss the lot, & have three pairs.

My 7th street thoughts was that I can wheel, straight, or house.

I initially thought I was unlucky to miss.

Then geezer to my left Tables T-T-T-Q-Q.

Paul Garnham now looks like chooping by taking the low hand, & I'm sat there empty handed with a curly lip.

T-T-T-Q-Q man is ready to scoop the pot in, Paul Garnham says, "I have an out for the straight flush"........and draws it, for  

Yikes.  

[77dave]

Tikay what were your thoughts on 4th street on you hid you mystery jack. WC has just raised the pot to 96 and action is on you.

Ok im showing  but i havent put a penny in this pot yet. You must know you have WC beat at this stage if you raise the pot here your now HU and racing WC with your higher trips.
Of course things can go wrong but your playing out a 2k pot in great shape.

[tikay]

Tikay what were your thoughts on 4th street on you hid you mystery jack. WC has just raised the pot to 96 and action is on you.

Ok im showing  but i havent put a penny in this pot yet. You must know you have WC beat at this stage if you raise the pot here your now HU and racing WC with your higher trips.
Of course things can go wrong but your playing out a 2k pot in great shape.

I was really worried about you, not him. You were showing  & it was clear you had the only Low hand, or draw. I wanted to flat, to keep you in, so we could proceed 3 way, & I was locked on for half.

It was a terrible blunder by me, as played, though as it happens, you don't fold anyway, & I get myself in a right 2 & 8.

If I only had £400 or £500 behind, or had not made a nice profit on the night, I just re-Pot when WC pots. All three players had plenty behind us, too, it was not like someone with a few hundred was pot-stuck.

Pretty embarrassing play on my part really.

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Fantastic thread, can't wait to see more of this. I hate to be a tart, but could the boards be run out clearer at the end? It took me two mins to process everything, and seeing

TJ  X X
77 X X   

Ty so much guys! and wp

[SuuPRlim]

Tikay you're being harsh on yourself here I think calling when you make the Jack is a good play, 5th street comes and 77d catches a brick and WC is 100% going to pot into him to get his low hand out of the way, at which point you can pretty much stick the lot in - AND you get the extra £96, that would have been the dream scenario, as it happens 77d caught a scary card but he bet quite small and the other player with the worse trips i still in so you shoudl defo call again, now he's caught ANOTHER really scary card lol and you're fucked!

You just got a bit unlucky really 77d's board just ran out amazingly well nothing you can really do about that.

The point of the hand you played badly, imo was not folding the JJ9 initially but play on 4th, 5th and 6th street is very good imo.

[77dave]

Yeah you played the hand well TJ just a bad fold on 6th by you from my point of view.

Its easy for me to say raise the pot on 4th street and play a 2k pot with 3 cards to come but in the balance of the game and how he was playing flatting the 96 may well be the way to go. I can easily brick 5th street or maybe i have paired 4th street and im not even calling the £96

[SuuPRlim]

Its easy for me to say raise the pot on 4th street and play a 2k pot with 3 cards to come but in the balance of the game and how he was playing flatting the 96 may well be the way to go. I can easily brick 5th street or maybe i have paired 4th street and im not even calling the £96

yh, I'm gonna think some more about your betsize on 5th street when you hit the ACE. I think that's almost the most interesting part of the hand

wp everyone imo (excpet TJ at the start )