SuperStud Freeroll time

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TJ owned by TPAFKALD.

Was a fun session, really enjoyed myself.

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Fantastic thread, can't wait to see more of this. I hate to be a tart, but could the boards be run out clearer at the end? It took me two mins to process everything, and seeing

TJ  X X
77 X X   

Ty so much guys! and wp

Yes, fair point.

These Mixed Games have limited interest to most of the guys here, but if they generate chat, & improve our games, yeah, I would love to post more of them.

[rfgqqabc]

Fantastic thread, can't wait to see more of this. I hate to be a tart, but could the boards be run out clearer at the end? It took me two mins to process everything, and seeing

TJ  X X
77 X X   

Ty so much guys! and wp

Yes, fair point.

These Mixed Games have limited interest to most of the guys here, but if they generate chat, & improve our games, yeah, I would love to post more of them.

My house mate wants to improve in all these games and so do I, we both have decent h/l knowledge and 7 card limit/pot limit. I'm sure we'll try and contribute and if not we'll be here lapping it up

[Tal]

Ice cream alert...

If I'm stud8, I'd almost exclusively fold JJx, whichever way it comes, unless I have a low/ace up and I'm playing it as a bluff. Obv that's limit rather than pot limit, but it's largely because it's infrequently a good/well-disguised high and offers no low prospect.

So, what would be the justification for calling in TJ's spot? Short-handed? Tight rep? Pot limit offers greater room for bluffing/implied odds if you hit of either getting paid or getting others off their hand?

[pokerfan]

Ice cream alert...

If I'm stud8, I'd almost exclusively fold JJx, whichever way it comes, unless I have a low/ace up and I'm playing it as a bluff. Obv that's limit rather than pot limit, but it's largely because it's infrequently a good/well-disguised high and offers no low prospect.

So, what would be the justification for calling in TJ's spot? Short-handed? Tight rep? Pot limit offers greater room for bluffing/implied odds if you hit of either getting paid or getting others off their hand?

None of the above, it's the penultimate hand of the night 

[Tal]

Ice cream alert...

If I'm stud8, I'd almost exclusively fold JJx, whichever way it comes, unless I have a low/ace up and I'm playing it as a bluff. Obv that's limit rather than pot limit, but it's largely because it's infrequently a good/well-disguised high and offers no low prospect.

So, what would be the justification for calling in TJ's spot? Short-handed? Tight rep? Pot limit offers greater room for bluffing/implied odds if you hit of either getting paid or getting others off their hand?

None of the above, it's the penultimate hand of the night 

Or dat

[77dave]

So i decided to bet £500 on 6th street i know i have 6 cards in my freeroll to hit for a monster scoop assuming nobody houses up, but they dont know that.

Im quite happy to see 2 folds and collect the pot thats in the middle right now. 2 calls and the pot is now huge and im gtd 50%

WC moves in for his remaining 705 and TJ tank folds. Not the result we wanted all we have to do now is hit and Ace or 4.

Last card we both brick and WC thinks he has lost the lot.

A little profit in the pot but great equity and a great spot.

[Honeybadger]

Haven't got time to comment properly due to Xmas with family. But few quick comments:

1. Playing (JJ)9 at superstud is a huge money losing play..

2. Lil'Dave is right when he says I would usually choose the as my upcard if I had a hand like . I believe the deception gained outweighs the potential increase in fold equity which we may get if we turn the up and then make a four-flush by fifth street (with 3 spades showing). And also if we have the showing we are more likely to be showing three of a suit by fifth street than if we turn over the [this is what happens in the actual hand].

3. I believe that we should sometimes turn an A over as our upcard. This should be rare obviously, but we need to do it occasionally after we have raised pre-discard to 'protect ourself' for the times that we have rolled up Aces. Obviously we don't need to do this very often, but theoretically we should occasionally turn an Ace over when we don't have AAA.

4. OP played this hand well IMO, however:

5. OP should bet bigger on fifth street. Both rolled up hands would be forced to fold. And if they don't, we'll that's ok too since they are playing hope-for-the-best-poker.

6. Potting on 6th street is much better.

7. You say you have 6 outs to scoop vs trips. You actually only have four outs. Two of the are gone. It is crucially important to pay attention to the dead cards.

8. We gain most when both hands fold... especially as our key card (the 4) for the scoop is half dead. That's why we should bet bigger on 5th (we are semi-bluffing obv), and that's why we should bet the max on 6th.

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The call pre by TJ with JJ. (Complicated, 'innit?).

Yup, 100% agree, we don't play this hand in S-S.

However, I was in the Blinds, & afaic, it had not been raised. It MAY have been made £6 by someone, & then, as tradition dictates, called in 5 spots, if so, yes, I'd have slung £4 in to see one street. A SS hand lasts 5 minutes, so it was either pop outside for a ciggie, or chuck in £4.......

It is a horrendous SS hand of course, & like most costly mistakes in poker (& life) it starts with a lickle mistake & just gets worse from there on in.

Can't recall how much I did in the hand before eventually folding, but it was way too much, & was competely my own fault.

Think I'd played too long, & my concentration was failing.

Must say, I loved the way Jim played the hand.

[Tal]

So it's a case of do as I say; not as I do, then?

[tikay]

Ice cream alert...
If I'm stud8, I'd almost exclusively fold JJx, whichever way it comes, unless I have a low/ace up and I'm playing it as a bluff. Obv that's limit rather than pot limit, but it's largely because it's infrequently a good/well-disguised high and offers no low prospect.

So, what would be the justification for calling in TJ's spot? Short-handed? Tight rep? Pot limit offers greater room for bluffing/implied odds if you hit of either getting paid or getting others off their hand?

Ice-cream response.

We played a LowBall hand last night.

I was in the Blinds, & my Up Card was

Underneath, I had 

So I hatched a cunning plan.

I decided to see what everyone's next card was, & proceed from there.

Bet, £10.

Called by all.

I drew a 6, or similar low.

Jim was showing (something like) 6-8 v my shown 5-6.

Lovely when a plan comes together.

Bet £50.

Snapped by Jim.

Next Street I draw another nice Low card, & Jim fails to improve much.

POT!

Most of my stack is now in the middle. AND JIM CALLS ALL-IN........

Whoops, you have proper got me here Jim, I have Q high.

Jim's reply?

Winning, I have K high.

He did, too.

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So it's a case of do as I say; not as I do, then?

Yup, 'fraid so.

It was completely my own fault, but there's always a reason for everything.

[77dave]

I have no issues with the JJ9 hand, you have to remember we are playing 500-600bb deep at this stage.

The guy making the raise was wild, ok he has a legit hand this time, but if brick 4th or 5th street then TJ takes the pot on HU and can scoop a monster pot.

[Honeybadger]

I have no issues with the JJ9 hand, you have to remember we are playing 500-600bb deep at this stage.

The guy making the raise was wild, ok he has a legit hand this time, but if brick 4th or 5th street then TJ takes the pot on HU and can scoop a monster pot.

Nah, honestly it is really bad to play such hands at Superstud. Even worse when very deep really. I am not exactly over the moon to actually HAVE rolled up big trips when very deep (small trips much different due to their deception value)... let alone a draw to big trips.

[77dave]

S-S falls in line with all other games, as long as you cam lay a hand down.

Id be more concerned playing bad low hands then high pairs set mining.